^ dunno, they always got a vinyl copy of Bitches Brew for sale in indie shops. think it's the canonical Miles selection for non-jazz ppl in general. OTC is go2 for yr more "discerning" indie types.
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 30 January 2011 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link
First Clutch album (can't google the name) is an even better example.
OD has one of my favorite songs of all time on it (Dead Bent) but I actually like KMD's Mr. Hood even more...
Art of Self Defense is easily one of my favorite albums of the decade.
― lol at the witch trials (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 30 January 2011 23:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Contendo otm re: Miles.
― lol at the witch trials (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 30 January 2011 23:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Indie is superior to most genres of the past 25 years, y'know, but there were some great and very underrated non-indie albums released in the first half of the 80s:
Depeche Mode: Construction Time AgainThompson Twins: Quick Step & SidekickHoward Jones: Human's LibAlphaville: Forever Young
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Sunday, 30 January 2011 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link
so you guys have been having one hell of a sunday huh
― call all destroyer, Sunday, 30 January 2011 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link
WOOT!
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 31 January 2011 00:04 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItZyaOlrb7E
― 23 24 (Z S), Monday, 31 January 2011 00:22 (thirteen years ago) link
i honestly didn't think using a seemingly self-explanatory shorthand for "publications on the web and in print that focus primarily on indie (the genre) music" would be all that inflammatory. But it's apparantly like Pauly D from Jersey Shore walking into the middle of Daddy's at happy hour and yelling "HIPSTERS!"
never under estimate the dumb shit people can get butthurt about on this site
― art crüt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, January 31, 2011 6:42 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
some pretty awesome faux-naivete "honest officer, I had no idea..."
― based god kwassa kwassa (dayo), Monday, 31 January 2011 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link
seriously, though, i thought ilx took pride in setting itself from "corny indie fuxxors" instead of immediately wanting to chain themselves at the gates of the Hype Machine offices because someone said something that looks little disparaging about the fucking hivemind
\o_O/
― art crüt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 31 January 2011 00:26 (thirteen years ago) link
guys, Phoenix might not be a good band
*runs away*
― art crüt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 31 January 2011 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link
anyway
linkin park - meteora
― based god kwassa kwassa (dayo), Monday, 31 January 2011 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link
seriously, though, i thought ilx took pride in setting itself from "corny indie fuxxors"
u actually meant "ilx likes to pretend it takes pride in"
― call all destroyer, Monday, 31 January 2011 00:38 (thirteen years ago) link
yo whiney u wanna go to daddy's and eat chips and watch turner classic movies tonight or what
― not everything is a campfire (ian), Monday, 31 January 2011 00:39 (thirteen years ago) link
The-Dream - Love HateFucked Up - Hidden World
― url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:21 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
anyways, these are both wrong if you stick to your original "light years better" assertion instead of your softpedaled "pre-hype records worth checking out"
― call all destroyer, Monday, 31 January 2011 00:40 (thirteen years ago) link
i think the new metal mountains record is record of the year so far but it /MIGHT/ be an indie rock record, it's hard to tell.
― not everything is a campfire (ian), Monday, 31 January 2011 00:40 (thirteen years ago) link
lmao
― *kl0p* (deej), Monday, 31 January 2011 00:56 (thirteen years ago) link
so are groundswell, rise rise rise or stay afraid worth checking out
8-)
― based god kwassa kwassa (dayo), Monday, 31 January 2011 00:57 (thirteen years ago) link
nu-balearic is latepass for naked records
:p
― *kl0p* (deej), Monday, 31 January 2011 00:59 (thirteen years ago) link
i thought ilx took pride in setting itself from "corny indie fuxxors"
this is the bobbing turd of suck in an otherwise delightful punchbowl
fuck a poppalmoose tho
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Monday, 31 January 2011 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, this is the part about this thread that feels off to me. I don't buy the notion that there is a single "best" record that invalidates all other releases by some of the artists listed itt.
I feel this way about Mastodon and Spiritualized. Leviathan and Lazer Guided Melodies are both excellent, but in no way light years better than subsequent albums.
Most bands that I truly like have multiple albums that I would listen to.
― Moodles, Monday, 31 January 2011 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Not unless the music they make all of a sudden started rocking.
― that's not funny. (unperson), Monday, 31 January 2011 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
is low an indie rock band? what about flying saucer attack
― not everything is a campfire (ian), Monday, 31 January 2011 01:16 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm gonna stop trolling this thread now, sorry guys
― not everything is a campfire (ian), Monday, 31 January 2011 01:19 (thirteen years ago) link
jay-z vol 3
― sisilafami, Monday, 31 January 2011 01:46 (thirteen years ago) link
kinda funny who whiney will go after and who he won't
― mookieproof, Monday, 31 January 2011 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link
J.Timb "Justified"
― billstevejim, Monday, 31 January 2011 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
Okay maybe it's not "light years better," but most of the choices listed here aren't either.
― billstevejim, Monday, 31 January 2011 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
i think j0rdan is more crippingly self-aware than anyone on ilx save myself and markers
― url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:14 (Yesterday) Bookmark
you really think this is true or was this just wildfire zingin? cause i feel like the opposite of this is true; to me j0rdan and al are the most shameless ilm posters ito taste
― flopson, Monday, 31 January 2011 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link
generalist critics are always and will always be late simply because they're trying to canvas the entire field. they're not out there in all the world's clubs watching microgenres develop, watching bands & artists in every local scene around the world come up. they might be intimately engaged with one or two niches, but they can't catch everything, so they inevitably catch up. this is fine. there's nothing wrong with it.
But then, I find that many critics - regardless of genre - are a bit too fast looking for the "next big thing" or whatever new trends the hipsters are into. Personally, I feel that most of my favourite acts haven't really nailed their style until around the 2nd or 3rd album. Debut albums are often a good selection of songs, given that the act has been writing them for some time before their debut, but they also tend to be a bit too purist for their own good, about nailing one particular sound or style and staying with that for the entire album. The 2nd and 3rd albums tend to be more varied in terms of styles and arrangements (like, maybe adding a few more instruments and production details to the mix, and not just doing fast songs but also the occasional ballad to vary the styles on the album).
My point? That the likes of NME, Pitchfork and surely also dance critics/DJs, sometimes tend to be a bit too quick searching for new trends and styles. Simply because debut albums are rarely the best album of acts that do actually last. So maybe the generalist critics are the ones who get to nail the most important albums after all? At a time when those acts may already be deemed uninteresting for NME or Pitchfork because they have been around for longer than half a year?
― You're Twistin' My Melody Man! (Geir Hongro), Monday, 31 January 2011 02:53 (thirteen years ago) link
one final lol to be had is whiney having a Ph.D in hipster studies but playing dumb at the idea that 'indie' can have so many connotations! and might be a watchword!
anyway keeping with the spirit, diddy - press play & prob. no way out (nb I haven't heard these two)
― based god kwassa kwassa (dayo), Monday, 31 January 2011 04:15 (thirteen years ago) link
remission is the best mastodon album & p4k liked it off the bat i thought
― flopson, Monday, 31 January 2011 04:19 (thirteen years ago) link
can't believe I waited so long to click on this thread, this is something of a masterpiece
― iatee, Monday, 31 January 2011 04:23 (thirteen years ago) link
Baroness - The Red AlbumPig Destroyer - Terrifyer― url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, January 30, 2011 6:27 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
― url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, January 30, 2011 6:27 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
i'm just here to say that these choices are incorrect
― HOOS the master?? STEEN NUFF (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 31 January 2011 04:43 (thirteen years ago) link
nick drake - time has told mequicksand - slipopeth - orchidmassive attack - no protectionx - wild giftenslaved - isa
― HOOS the master?? STEEN NUFF (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 31 January 2011 04:52 (thirteen years ago) link
against me - reinventing axl rose
=D
― based god kwassa kwassa (dayo), Monday, 31 January 2011 04:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, OBVIOUSLY, it's a snarky way of saying it. But I wish people would listen to The Bug's Pressure . . . because (it is a) dope album
totally true, but i still think london-zoo is better.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 31 January 2011 04:59 (thirteen years ago) link
artists where indie ppl were right on it
- cam'ron- t.i.- kanye west
― lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:04 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
pshhhhhh Trap Muzik is still Tip's best album and Diplomatic Immunity and Cam shit before that is all underrated by herbs that jumped on the bandwagon later
― some dude, Monday, 31 January 2011 05:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i have always been up on Tip, and I would def say King is hands down best.
Killa Cam, like every album is a "7" across the fucking board and it's total NOSD to pick faves
― art crüt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 31 January 2011 05:34 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i think jordan's def in the minority thinking king > trap muzik
both are excellent obv
xp well then
― originoo gun kl0pper (k3vin k.), Monday, 31 January 2011 05:35 (thirteen years ago) link
'diplomatic immunity' is probably underrated but 'purple haze' is still the best dipset album -- 'come home with me' is aight aside from the singles
― lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Monday, 31 January 2011 05:35 (thirteen years ago) link
most Cam albums are 7s sure but Diplomatic Immunity is an 8
― some dude, Monday, 31 January 2011 05:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Confessions Of Fire - 7SDE - 7Come Home With Me - 7Purple Haze - 7Killa Season - ???Crime Pays - 7
― art crüt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 31 January 2011 05:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Purple Haze was so the beginning of the end but so many people see it as the beginning period
― some dude, Monday, 31 January 2011 05:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Purple Haze was so the beginning of the end but so many people herbs see it as the beginning period
― art crüt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 31 January 2011 05:38 (thirteen years ago) link
thanks that was so necessary since i used the same word to describe the same people 6 posts up great work
― some dude, Monday, 31 January 2011 05:39 (thirteen years ago) link
― some dude, Monday, January 31, 2011 12:37 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
ha -- where is this point for wayne
― lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Monday, 31 January 2011 05:39 (thirteen years ago) link
drought 3 right?
― lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Monday, 31 January 2011 05:40 (thirteen years ago) link
― based god kwassa kwassa (dayo), Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:15 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
im not sure most critics beyond ilxor are rlly into the new one judging by its pazz n jop votes, and there are def a bunch of rap critics who will ride for 'no way out'
― *kl0p* (deej), Monday, 31 January 2011 05:41 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont know how ppl can think 'king' is better than 'trap muzik'
― *kl0p* (deej), Monday, 31 January 2011 05:42 (thirteen years ago) link
also press play is not the better album
― lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Monday, 31 January 2011 05:42 (thirteen years ago) link