latepassapedia: records that were light years better the ones indie dudes eventually endorsed as classics

J.Timb "Justified"

Okay maybe it's not "light years better," but most of the choices listed here aren't either.

i think j0rdan is more crippingly self-aware than anyone on ilx save myself and markers

― url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:14 (Yesterday) Bookmark

you really think this is true or was this just wildfire zingin? cause i feel like the opposite of this is true; to me j0rdan and al are the most shameless ilm posters ito taste

generalist critics are always and will always be late simply because they're trying to canvas the entire field. they're not out there in all the world's clubs watching microgenres develop, watching bands & artists in every local scene around the world come up. they might be intimately engaged with one or two niches, but they can't catch everything, so they inevitably catch up. this is fine. there's nothing wrong with it.

But then, I find that many critics - regardless of genre - are a bit too fast looking for the "next big thing" or whatever new trends the hipsters are into. Personally, I feel that most of my favourite acts haven't really nailed their style until around the 2nd or 3rd album. Debut albums are often a good selection of songs, given that the act has been writing them for some time before their debut, but they also tend to be a bit too purist for their own good, about nailing one particular sound or style and staying with that for the entire album. The 2nd and 3rd albums tend to be more varied in terms of styles and arrangements (like, maybe adding a few more instruments and production details to the mix, and not just doing fast songs but also the occasional ballad to vary the styles on the album).

My point? That the likes of NME, Pitchfork and surely also dance critics/DJs, sometimes tend to be a bit too quick searching for new trends and styles. Simply because debut albums are rarely the best album of acts that do actually last.
So maybe the generalist critics are the ones who get to nail the most important albums after all? At a time when those acts may already be deemed uninteresting for NME or Pitchfork because they have been around for longer than half a year?

one final lol to be had is whiney having a Ph.D in hipster studies but playing dumb at the idea that 'indie' can have so many connotations! and might be a watchword!

anyway keeping with the spirit, diddy - press play & prob. no way out (nb I haven't heard these two)

remission is the best mastodon album & p4k liked it off the bat i thought

can't believe I waited so long to click on this thread, this is something of a masterpiece

Baroness - The Red Album
Pig Destroyer - Terrifyer

― url sweatshirt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, January 30, 2011 6:27 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

i'm just here to say that these choices are incorrect

nick drake - time has told me
quicksand - slip
opeth - orchid
massive attack - no protection
x - wild gift
enslaved - isa

against me - reinventing axl rose

=D

Yes, OBVIOUSLY, it's a snarky way of saying it. But I wish people would listen to The Bug's Pressure . . . because (it is a) dope album

totally true, but i still think london-zoo is better.

artists where indie ppl were right on it

- cam'ron
- t.i.
- kanye west

― lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:04 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

pshhhhhh Trap Muzik is still Tip's best album and Diplomatic Immunity and Cam shit before that is all underrated by herbs that jumped on the bandwagon later

i have always been up on Tip, and I would def say King is hands down best.

Killa Cam, like every album is a "7" across the fucking board and it's total NOSD to pick faves

yeah i think jordan's def in the minority thinking king > trap muzik

both are excellent obv

xp well then

'diplomatic immunity' is probably underrated but 'purple haze' is still the best dipset album -- 'come home with me' is aight aside from the singles

most Cam albums are 7s sure but Diplomatic Immunity is an 8

Confessions Of Fire - 7
SDE - 7
Come Home With Me - 7
Purple Haze - 7
Killa Season - ???
Crime Pays - 7

Purple Haze was so the beginning of the end but so many people see it as the beginning period

Purple Haze was so the beginning of the end but so many people herbs see it as the beginning period

thanks that was so necessary since i used the same word to describe the same people 6 posts up great work

Purple Haze was so the beginning of the end but so many people see it as the beginning period

― some dude, Monday, January 31, 2011 12:37 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

ha -- where is this point for wayne

drought 3 right?

anyway keeping with the spirit, diddy - press play & prob. no way out (nb I haven't heard these two)

― based god kwassa kwassa (dayo), Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:15 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

im not sure most critics beyond ilxor are rlly into the new one judging by its pazz n jop votes, and there are def a bunch of rap critics who will ride for 'no way out'

i dont know how ppl can think 'king' is better than 'trap muzik'

also press play is not the better album

thanks that was so necessary since i used the same word to describe the same people 6 posts up great work

― some dude, Monday, January 31, 2011 12:39 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i wish there was some gif of cam'ron to adequately express how funny it is that you are mad

also press play is not the better album

― lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Sunday, January 30, 2011 11:42 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

agreed, based on the 'press play' cover art i remember hoping it would be a lot more like what the dirty money record ended up sounding like

liking 'king' over 'trap muzik' is like thinking 'the blueprint' is the best jay-z album right?

i dont get the parallel there. king is a dope record & a good way to get out of the trap (lol) of moving off of an album as good as trap muzik which sunk half of 'urban legend' -- he was smart to mix it up w/ just blaze & shit like that ... but trap muzik spoke about his world & his outlook as definitively as a record can

well... i guess i meant more from the perspective of 'king' & 'blueprint' being both artists' critical coronation albums & also from a pop perspective both records built on chart success & opened w/ both artists biggest single to date

i wish there was some gif of cam'ron to adequately express how funny it is that you are mad

― art crüt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, January 31, 2011 5:42 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

irl lol

'izzo' wasnt bigger than 'hard knock life' was it?

i mean in the grand scheme of thing it's kinda splitting hairs but 'izzo' was jay's first ever top 10 hit

it def felt like the biggest jay record ever to me at that point but i was also 13

huh 'hard knock life' was huge btw ... that was his pop crossover moment

no i know -- so was 'bring em out' & 'rubberband man'

hard knock life was v. huge, same w/ can I get a...? (lol jah rule)

is weezy really in an irreversible slide downwards?

i dunno but i feel like each new record/tape he puts out just makes carter ii sound better

Did a ctrl-f for Aquemini, sad I didn't see it here already. Anyway, Aquemini.

By Outkast.

I first heard about Aquemini in SPIN magazine

(when it came out)

Well, in the UK they had pretty much no profile with indiepeople 'til Stankonia.

Dubnosbasswithmyheadman by Underworld.
In A Silent way by Miles Davis, if that counts (Bitches Brew selling 300,000 copies to rock-friendly people, IASW being the bretter record).

What about where indiepeople get it wrong the OTHER way around; i.e. all praise an album when the one that followed is better? Cos I'm always miffed that indiepeople praise Tago Mago over Ege Bamyasi.

always forget about the transatlantic divide in existence...

I think the EB > TM retcon has only been in effect for a few years--my impression is that Tago Mago has been considered the essential 'must-get' one for a long time (since Krautrocksampler? never read it, but seems like that's the Bible to indie appreciation of Krautrock)(but if you read the first the first EOY list on NME--1974--there are like 3 Can records in the Top 60)

Feel like there are too many divergent takes on the Can discog for a rock solid narrative to really form.

also
is weezy really in an irreversible slide downwards?

apparently there's a whole thread devoted to this debate. Duh.

xxxp was aquemini really ignored by rock/generalist critics at the time? the reputation it has now can't all have been retroactively applied can it

tuieruhggapsdz

sorry, just fell asleep on keyboard there

Crits were ready to put classic status on Speakerboxxx/Love Below, but I think they've since pedaled that one back

i'd have picked ATLiens for this thread but i think it fails the lightyears clause since aquemini is good