well... i guess i meant more from the perspective of 'king' & 'blueprint' being both artists' critical coronation albums & also from a pop perspective both records built on chart success & opened w/ both artists biggest single to date
― lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Monday, 31 January 2011 05:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i wish there was some gif of cam'ron to adequately express how funny it is that you are mad
― art crüt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, January 31, 2011 5:42 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark
irl lol
― HOOS the master?? STEEN NUFF (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 31 January 2011 05:54 (thirteen years ago) link
'izzo' wasnt bigger than 'hard knock life' was it?
― *kl0p* (deej), Monday, 31 January 2011 05:54 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean in the grand scheme of thing it's kinda splitting hairs but 'izzo' was jay's first ever top 10 hit
― lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Monday, 31 January 2011 05:55 (thirteen years ago) link
it def felt like the biggest jay record ever to me at that point but i was also 13
huh 'hard knock life' was huge btw ... that was his pop crossover moment
― *kl0p* (deej), Monday, 31 January 2011 05:57 (thirteen years ago) link
no i know -- so was 'bring em out' & 'rubberband man'
― lilwayne.quizrewards4u.com (J0rdan S.), Monday, 31 January 2011 05:58 (thirteen years ago) link
hard knock life was v. huge, same w/ can I get a...? (lol jah rule)
is weezy really in an irreversible slide downwards?
― lol at the witch trials (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 31 January 2011 13:30 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno but i feel like each new record/tape he puts out just makes carter ii sound better
― ciderpress, Monday, 31 January 2011 13:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Did a ctrl-f for Aquemini, sad I didn't see it here already. Anyway, Aquemini.
― Ukranian crocodile that swallowed a mobile phone (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 31 January 2011 13:55 (thirteen years ago) link
By Outkast.
I first heard about Aquemini in SPIN magazine
― lol at the witch trials (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 31 January 2011 13:57 (thirteen years ago) link
(when it came out)
Well, in the UK they had pretty much no profile with indiepeople 'til Stankonia.
Dubnosbasswithmyheadman by Underworld.In A Silent way by Miles Davis, if that counts (Bitches Brew selling 300,000 copies to rock-friendly people, IASW being the bretter record).
What about where indiepeople get it wrong the OTHER way around; i.e. all praise an album when the one that followed is better? Cos I'm always miffed that indiepeople praise Tago Mago over Ege Bamyasi.
― Ukranian crocodile that swallowed a mobile phone (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 31 January 2011 14:01 (thirteen years ago) link
always forget about the transatlantic divide in existence...
I think the EB > TM retcon has only been in effect for a few years--my impression is that Tago Mago has been considered the essential 'must-get' one for a long time (since Krautrocksampler? never read it, but seems like that's the Bible to indie appreciation of Krautrock)(but if you read the first the first EOY list on NME--1974--there are like 3 Can records in the Top 60)
Feel like there are too many divergent takes on the Can discog for a rock solid narrative to really form.
― lol at the witch trials (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 31 January 2011 14:13 (thirteen years ago) link
alsois weezy really in an irreversible slide downwards?
apparently there's a whole thread devoted to this debate. Duh.
― lol at the witch trials (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 31 January 2011 14:17 (thirteen years ago) link
xxxp was aquemini really ignored by rock/generalist critics at the time? the reputation it has now can't all have been retroactively applied can it
― ciderpress, Monday, 31 January 2011 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link
tuieruhggapsdz
― history mayne, Monday, 31 January 2011 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry, just fell asleep on keyboard there
Crits were ready to put classic status on Speakerboxxx/Love Below, but I think they've since pedaled that one back
― art crüt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 31 January 2011 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link
i'd have picked ATLiens for this thread but i think it fails the lightyears clause since aquemini is good
― ciderpress, Monday, 31 January 2011 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Most of the picks on this thread fail the light years clause.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 31 January 2011 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link
true
― some dude, Monday, 31 January 2011 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
it's almost as if hyperbole were used in a thread title on the internet
― history mayne, Monday, 31 January 2011 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
any mentions of miles davis itt are eye roll-y
― *kl0p* (deej), Monday, 31 January 2011 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
kind of blue is better than in silent way
beethovan's 4th
― smang a goon (get it on) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:10 (Yesterday) Bookmark
^ this was a beautiful post
― seminal fuiud (NickB), Monday, 31 January 2011 15:41 (thirteen years ago) link
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― history mayne, Monday, January 31, 2011 10:42 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark
A+++
― based god kwassa kwassa (dayo), Monday, 31 January 2011 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
secret shit they missed while the cool kids were exchanging high fives on planet future
thread is reprehensible obv but this ^ should be new ilm board descrip
― in my room, redefining the meaning of black crowes (Edward III), Monday, 31 January 2011 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link
clicked hoping this would be a great thread, lasted about 10 posts before scrolling past everything quickly & smdh the whole way. btw the bug's pressure is a great record but the critics are right (even if they were also late)-- london zoo is leagues better
― the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Monday, 31 January 2011 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
ed 3 on the money; I wz thinking "high fives on planet future" as a possible new sn
― lol at the witch trials (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link
high suggestbans on planet weingarten
― proso_Opopoeia (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 00:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Nostalgia, Ultra
― alpine static, Thursday, 29 November 2018 16:30 (five years ago) link
i like it when you sleep, for you are so beautiful yet so unaware of it
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 29 November 2018 16:37 (five years ago) link
it doesn't really fit the "light years better" qualifier but i couldn't resist lol
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 29 November 2018 16:39 (five years ago) link
very few of these examples will truly fit the "light years better" qualifier (imo), but it's still a good thread idea, shout out to WGW for linking to it.
― alpine static, Thursday, 29 November 2018 16:50 (five years ago) link
Does the phenomenon of revisionist hipster classics still exist in any strength? It seems like streaming services have lessened the weight of particular reissues.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 29 November 2018 16:53 (five years ago) link
Neil Young - Landing On WaterBob Dylan - Under a Blood Red SkyDavid Bowie - Never Let Me Down
― omar little, Thursday, 29 November 2018 17:02 (five years ago) link
Landing on Water rather than which record?
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 29 November 2018 17:03 (five years ago) link
Beyoncé, 4
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 29 November 2018 18:36 (five years ago) link
Also the first Kacey Musgraves album
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 29 November 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link
this is like the bizarro New Jersey or something, right?
― alpine static, Thursday, 29 November 2018 18:44 (five years ago) link
Orbus Terrarum
― frogbs, Thursday, 29 November 2018 18:46 (five years ago) link
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, November 29, 2018 1:36 PM (one hour ago)
beyonce, b'day
― k3vin k., Thursday, 29 November 2018 19:39 (five years ago) link
whilst kacey m should have been receiving plaudits from the first record on... it's definitely debatable whether the first record (which is amazing) is light years better than this year's LP
― single bed mentality (||||||||), Thursday, 29 November 2018 19:41 (five years ago) link
Miranda Lambert- Kerosene
― President Keyes, Thursday, 29 November 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link
I'd say Amerie's All I Have except that IIRC it was less the follow-up album as a whole that was endorsed as a classic than it was "1 Thing" specifically. Similar issue with Kelis' Kaleidoscope versus "Milkshake"/Tasty.
I was thinking about whether this happens a lot in dance / electronic music and it seems actually not very common? I suspect because typically there's usually such a run-up to actual full length albums by artists in that field that, typically, by the time the debut album actually comes out, it's either already a disappointment vis a vis the artist's earlier work or, if it's any good, the portion of the music crit community that pays any attention to dance music at all is fairly well-placed to endorse it as a classic pretty quickly, or it's a bit of both of those things.
Against that, the first/best actual example I can think of is probably Isolee's Rest versus Wearemonster.
― Tim F, Thursday, 29 November 2018 22:33 (five years ago) link
thread premise is decent but I'm not sure why indie rock should be excluded (and yes also the lightyears is prob unnecessary hyperbole) so anyway:
Julien Baker - Sprained AnkleBon Iver - For Emma, Forever Ago
*HANDS UP THREAD POLICE*
― niels, Friday, 30 November 2018 10:55 (five years ago) link
the Bon Iver album was absurdly highly acclaimed by critics. It's the cornerstone of his foundation myth
― Number None, Friday, 30 November 2018 11:11 (five years ago) link
nope it was overlooked the year it was released and then a sleeper hit next year, but p4k put the disappointing follow up in the #1 spot on their aoy list
― niels, Friday, 30 November 2018 11:19 (five years ago) link