(when it came out)
― lol at the witch trials (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 31 January 2011 13:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, in the UK they had pretty much no profile with indiepeople 'til Stankonia.
Dubnosbasswithmyheadman by Underworld.In A Silent way by Miles Davis, if that counts (Bitches Brew selling 300,000 copies to rock-friendly people, IASW being the bretter record).
What about where indiepeople get it wrong the OTHER way around; i.e. all praise an album when the one that followed is better? Cos I'm always miffed that indiepeople praise Tago Mago over Ege Bamyasi.
― Ukranian crocodile that swallowed a mobile phone (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 31 January 2011 14:01 (thirteen years ago) link
always forget about the transatlantic divide in existence...
I think the EB > TM retcon has only been in effect for a few years--my impression is that Tago Mago has been considered the essential 'must-get' one for a long time (since Krautrocksampler? never read it, but seems like that's the Bible to indie appreciation of Krautrock)(but if you read the first the first EOY list on NME--1974--there are like 3 Can records in the Top 60)
Feel like there are too many divergent takes on the Can discog for a rock solid narrative to really form.
― lol at the witch trials (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 31 January 2011 14:13 (thirteen years ago) link
alsois weezy really in an irreversible slide downwards?
apparently there's a whole thread devoted to this debate. Duh.
― lol at the witch trials (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 31 January 2011 14:17 (thirteen years ago) link
xxxp was aquemini really ignored by rock/generalist critics at the time? the reputation it has now can't all have been retroactively applied can it
― ciderpress, Monday, 31 January 2011 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link
tuieruhggapsdz
― history mayne, Monday, 31 January 2011 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry, just fell asleep on keyboard there
Crits were ready to put classic status on Speakerboxxx/Love Below, but I think they've since pedaled that one back
― art crüt (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 31 January 2011 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link
i'd have picked ATLiens for this thread but i think it fails the lightyears clause since aquemini is good
― ciderpress, Monday, 31 January 2011 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Most of the picks on this thread fail the light years clause.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Monday, 31 January 2011 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link
true
― some dude, Monday, 31 January 2011 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
it's almost as if hyperbole were used in a thread title on the internet
― history mayne, Monday, 31 January 2011 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link
any mentions of miles davis itt are eye roll-y
― *kl0p* (deej), Monday, 31 January 2011 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
kind of blue is better than in silent way
beethovan's 4th
― smang a goon (get it on) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 30 January 2011 19:10 (Yesterday) Bookmark
^ this was a beautiful post
― seminal fuiud (NickB), Monday, 31 January 2011 15:41 (thirteen years ago) link
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― history mayne, Monday, January 31, 2011 10:42 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark
A+++
― based god kwassa kwassa (dayo), Monday, 31 January 2011 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
secret shit they missed while the cool kids were exchanging high fives on planet future
thread is reprehensible obv but this ^ should be new ilm board descrip
― in my room, redefining the meaning of black crowes (Edward III), Monday, 31 January 2011 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link
clicked hoping this would be a great thread, lasted about 10 posts before scrolling past everything quickly & smdh the whole way. btw the bug's pressure is a great record but the critics are right (even if they were also late)-- london zoo is leagues better
― the new mordant & zingy ilxor persona (ilxor), Monday, 31 January 2011 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link
ed 3 on the money; I wz thinking "high fives on planet future" as a possible new sn
― lol at the witch trials (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link
high suggestbans on planet weingarten
― proso_Opopoeia (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 00:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Nostalgia, Ultra
― alpine static, Thursday, 29 November 2018 16:30 (five years ago) link
i like it when you sleep, for you are so beautiful yet so unaware of it
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 29 November 2018 16:37 (five years ago) link
it doesn't really fit the "light years better" qualifier but i couldn't resist lol
― princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 29 November 2018 16:39 (five years ago) link
very few of these examples will truly fit the "light years better" qualifier (imo), but it's still a good thread idea, shout out to WGW for linking to it.
― alpine static, Thursday, 29 November 2018 16:50 (five years ago) link
Does the phenomenon of revisionist hipster classics still exist in any strength? It seems like streaming services have lessened the weight of particular reissues.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 29 November 2018 16:53 (five years ago) link
Neil Young - Landing On WaterBob Dylan - Under a Blood Red SkyDavid Bowie - Never Let Me Down
― omar little, Thursday, 29 November 2018 17:02 (five years ago) link
Landing on Water rather than which record?
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 29 November 2018 17:03 (five years ago) link
Beyoncé, 4
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 29 November 2018 18:36 (five years ago) link
Also the first Kacey Musgraves album
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 29 November 2018 18:39 (five years ago) link
this is like the bizarro New Jersey or something, right?
― alpine static, Thursday, 29 November 2018 18:44 (five years ago) link
Orbus Terrarum
― frogbs, Thursday, 29 November 2018 18:46 (five years ago) link
― 5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, November 29, 2018 1:36 PM (one hour ago)
beyonce, b'day
― k3vin k., Thursday, 29 November 2018 19:39 (five years ago) link
whilst kacey m should have been receiving plaudits from the first record on... it's definitely debatable whether the first record (which is amazing) is light years better than this year's LP
― single bed mentality (||||||||), Thursday, 29 November 2018 19:41 (five years ago) link
Miranda Lambert- Kerosene
― President Keyes, Thursday, 29 November 2018 19:47 (five years ago) link
I'd say Amerie's All I Have except that IIRC it was less the follow-up album as a whole that was endorsed as a classic than it was "1 Thing" specifically. Similar issue with Kelis' Kaleidoscope versus "Milkshake"/Tasty.
I was thinking about whether this happens a lot in dance / electronic music and it seems actually not very common? I suspect because typically there's usually such a run-up to actual full length albums by artists in that field that, typically, by the time the debut album actually comes out, it's either already a disappointment vis a vis the artist's earlier work or, if it's any good, the portion of the music crit community that pays any attention to dance music at all is fairly well-placed to endorse it as a classic pretty quickly, or it's a bit of both of those things.
Against that, the first/best actual example I can think of is probably Isolee's Rest versus Wearemonster.
― Tim F, Thursday, 29 November 2018 22:33 (five years ago) link
thread premise is decent but I'm not sure why indie rock should be excluded (and yes also the lightyears is prob unnecessary hyperbole) so anyway:
Julien Baker - Sprained AnkleBon Iver - For Emma, Forever Ago
*HANDS UP THREAD POLICE*
― niels, Friday, 30 November 2018 10:55 (five years ago) link
the Bon Iver album was absurdly highly acclaimed by critics. It's the cornerstone of his foundation myth
― Number None, Friday, 30 November 2018 11:11 (five years ago) link
nope it was overlooked the year it was released and then a sleeper hit next year, but p4k put the disappointing follow up in the #1 spot on their aoy list
― niels, Friday, 30 November 2018 11:19 (five years ago) link
no indie rock itt pls respect thread rules
― single bed mentality (||||||||), Friday, 30 November 2018 11:24 (five years ago) link
aight but just out of curiosity are the thread rules completely idiosyncratic or is there a reason why relatively underrated indie rock records would be less interesting than rap records?
since classic rock is apparently not disqualified: Revolver
― niels, Friday, 30 November 2018 11:42 (five years ago) link
I was thinking about whether this happens a lot in dance / electronic music and it seems actually not very common?
It mostly happens in reverse, everyone is desperate to jump on the first record and the second is often dismissed as being predictable by comparison, even when it's better. I'm thinking about the hosannas that greeted the first Galcher Lustwerk tape and now no one seems to give a shit when he releases an album. Also the stratospheric praise for the first Martyn album compared with the relatively muted reception for the (far superior) Ghost People.
― Matt DC, Friday, 30 November 2018 11:48 (five years ago) link
Ragged Glory, probably.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 30 November 2018 12:09 (five years ago) link
The whole point is that a lot of indie listeners understand and listen to other genres less than standard indie rock, about the elements of the music they tend to latch onto, and how that differs from what people more immersed in the genre might latch onto. By contrast 'X indie record is overrated/underrated by indie fans' is not an especially interesting debate.
A more interesting counterpoint would be the kinds of indie rock records that rap or pop listeners tend to gravitate towards/hail as classics, but that's a different thread.
― Matt DC, Friday, 30 November 2018 12:22 (five years ago) link
I mean it's a lame, smug concept for a thread but within that, excluding indie rock records makes sense.
― Matt DC, Friday, 30 November 2018 12:24 (five years ago) link
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you’ll never guess who started that one!
― k3vin k., Friday, 30 November 2018 12:41 (five years ago) link
this is a weird way to look at canon construction. initial reception is often at odds to how things ultimately get sorted out. Like "Don't Tell a Soul" got a lot more attention/reviews at the time than any previous Replacements album, but nobody thinks of that as their canonical record.
― President Keyes, Friday, 30 November 2018 13:48 (five years ago) link
― Tim F, Thursday, November 29, 2018 4:33 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Wearemonster was the first thing that came to mind rereading this thread
Also probably Herbert - scale (and maybe several times going backwards)
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 30 November 2018 14:14 (five years ago) link
Yeah Around The House > Bodily Functions also works.
I suppose some hardcore early fans would take it back even earlier.
― Tim F, Friday, 30 November 2018 14:17 (five years ago) link
There's another wrinkle to this thread that I think that Bon Iver doesn't fit, which is that the critical hosannas for the follow-up pretend or assume that people don't need a late-pass, that this X album is the classic. Rather than "we didn't get to the previous album until recently and hey isn't it amazing? Also this follow-up is very good."
― Tim F, Friday, 30 November 2018 14:23 (five years ago) link
I already regret getting into this but his first album was #29 on Pitchfork's 2007 EOY list. Sure they were overcompensating with their reaction to the second one, but they certainly didn't overlook the debut
― Number None, Friday, 30 November 2018 14:28 (five years ago) link