"Ether" vs. "Takeover"

Ruthless was even worse than post-Dre Row. And then everyone else was just on like Jive or whatever, right?

too bad jigga couldnt sample pac saying 'fuck nas'

-- and what, Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:39 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i will never forget how stupid this post is in my entire life

i grieve over it on long winter evenings

― HOOS the master?? STEEN NUFF (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, January 31, 2011 8:39 PM

huh?

Lol I wasn't being serious at all

Ruthless was even worse than post-Dre Row. And then everyone else was just on like Jive or whatever, right?

― if there is a King Kenny, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, February 1, 2011 10:48 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

man i think i'm gonna start like some hip hop retirement thread or something because it kinda blow my mind how often shit like this gets said about the golden age and it bums me out. maybe like a thread where i talk about king sun and king tee and stuff.

huh?

― am0n, Tuesday, February 1, 2011 4:50 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark

dude employed it more than once as an 'argument'

its stupid

Ruthless hand BTNH at that time and if you are a rap fan who doesn't like Bone, I hate you.

(Not West Coast except in spirit obv.)

ruthless had Above the Law and D.O.C. who put out albums on that label that i would put against any hip hop albums

was just checking out the Ruthless wiki and I didn't know that Will.I.Am got his start on Ruthless!

will's first appearance on wax!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJo0VpgVODM

<3 Rev being thread-gangsta itt

Seriously tho I don't even know a lot about west coast rap but wtf Death row would begin its downward descent in 96, there were way more labels doing quality west coast tho...

MC Eiht was on Epic then!

ether easily

ok ether vs. takeover is endlessly debatable, i mean my friends and i were just talking about this again a few days ago... but:

"Because you know who (who) did you know what (what)
with you know who (yeah) but just keep that between me and you for now"

jay-z won in real life

ultimately i think john densmore won this beef

Ruthless hand BTNH at that time and if you are a rap fan who doesn't like Bone, I hate you.

― smanging pumpkins (The Reverend), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 17:10 (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

we've done this before, we don't need to become the 90s rap equiv of deej and everyone else have opinions about brick squad mixtapes

you horribly misquoted rev btw

you left the italics off of the word 'hate'

as a pretty hardcore nas stan i never even gave jay's music the time of day when i was a kid out of loyalty, but listening to these two back to back i still think nas slays hov

posters be beefin

wow how did i never know k3ller was a nas stan

had a spark when you started but now you just garbage
fell from top ten zinger to not mentioned at all
to geir hongro's troll posts better than yours

wow how did i never know k3ller was a nas stan

― some dude, Tuesday, February 1, 2011 6:13 PM (7 minutes ago)

well this was age 13-18 or so, i don't really listen to him all the time anymore or anything & thus don't really post about him

Did you believe all the legends/myths believed by nas stans ?

we've done this before, we don't need to become the 90s rap equiv of deej and everyone else have opinions about brick squad mixtapes

― if there is a King Kenny, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, February 1, 2011 2:38 PM Bookmark

Not my fault you hate all the good rap.

i was/am a nas "stan" & he murdered hov itb *shrug*

we've done this before, we don't need to become the 90s rap equiv of deej and everyone else have opinions about brick squad mixtapes

― if there is a King Kenny, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, February 1, 2011 4:38 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what does this even mean

loool

like, im sorry that i have a thin skin or whatever? but i do, so maybe he should be the bigger man & not be a dick constantly?

― *kl0p* (deej), Tuesday, February 1, 2011 10:39 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

this is a beautiful post

u can get off my dick too

must be huge if you can fit all three of them on it at the same time

omg

must be huge if you can fit all three of them on it at the same time

― pf smangs (San Te), Tuesday, February 1, 2011 10:40 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dont deny the mountain lol

btw listening to take over right now this shit is

LAAAAAME

neither of these is as good as 'last real nigga alive' imo

which has the best combo of nas being super-butthurt/contemplative + 90s rap gossip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkH-x7yZagI

im not a huge 9th stan but this rmx was :O
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AT7A9aJHDw

doesnt rlly work with the rapping tho

I came across this old post which I feel is relevant to this thread's latest tangent:

I find the tepid initial responses to "G Thang" interesting, too. As far as I'm concerned, as someone a bit younger, there is no initial response because it's been ubiquitous for as long as I've been actively listening to music. Also, for me the g-funk era is kind of the heyday, as that was the dominant strain when I first started listening to rap. Sure there was the East Coast hardcore contingent, too, but you didn't hear that on the radio here and most of that stuff flew completely over my head when I was 10/11/12 anyways. I never got into Wu-Tang until well after the fact. G-funk wasn't a subgenre of rap to me, it was what rap sounded like, all the other things were the outliers. Of course, I'm sure a lot of this has to do with growing up on the West Coast during the peak of West Coast rap's popularity. Weirdly, or maybe not so weirdly, around 95/96 when I first started listening to the radio/watching MTV a lot, I probably heard more Southern rap than East Coast. I guess in those days it just as present as a few years later at the beginning of the "Dirty South boom" (but certainly not so much as today), but went mostly unacknowledged.

― The Reverend, Sunday, September 9, 2007 7:08 PM Bookmark

heh my experience was pretty much opposite yours Rev - when I first started listening it was illmatic and reasonable doubt, and then some talib kweli/mos def stuff, eminem. in fact, I would wager that I still probably haven't willfully heard a G-funk song.

I never even knew about either of those albums until the Blueprint/Stillmatic era.

The only East Coast rap songs I remember getting played on the radio here in 96 are "If I Ruled the World" (first Nas song I ever heard) and the singles from LL Cool J's Mr. Smith. From 97 on, radio here seemed a lot more friendly to East Coast rap though.

Well like 97-03.

I dunno if I ever actively listened to radio in middle or high school :/ I do remember stuff like puffy, juvenile, master P, busta etc. being popular in high school

I started listening to music and more importantly, paying attention to music in about '99. Inherited copies of The Score, Life After Death, It Was Written, Ill Na Na etc. from my sister as she fucked off around the world. First copy of the Source I bought had Redman on the cover. First copy of HHC I bought had Rah Digga and the Outsidaz on the cover (lol. also reviewed Operation: Doomsday and give it a perfect score and made it sound like something I would spend years looking for). Radio played Jay-Z, Outkast DMX, Eminem, Lil Kim, 'Special Delivery', Mos Def, Method Man etc. Westwood, once upon a time the only way to really hear new hip-hop was more likely to play Hot Boys or Iconz or UGK or Three 6 Mafia something weird* and Southern than something west tbh.

*or so it seemed at the time.

I know a lot of this comes from the fact that post-Pac's death was a pretty big lull in which the west coast tried to run away from Suge's mess but I just come from the exact opposite of where Rev did. And eh, none of that stuff seems to knock as hard or have as much charisma or rapping abillity or write lyrics as well as their East coast counterparts.

apparently the pic of Prodigy from 1988 was actually a pic of him from about 1982. thinking hiphop needs its own version of factcheck.org .

I've been fucked over, left for dead, dissed and forgotten
Luck ran out, they hoped that I'd be gone, stiff and rotten
Y'all just piss on me, shit on me, spit on my grave (uh)
Talk about me, laugh behind my back but in my face

this is just 4 lines of the same shit, and the first two are Seussian

"laugh behind my back but in my face" lol

p sure I said it before but Ether is the most disappointing diss Nas could have come up with, so many weak rhymes (literally, lines that do not rhyme properly) and those homophobic punches are just so beneath Nas

"Gay-Z and Cock-a-Fella Records", take it to the gaydiohead thread you doofus

"Takeover" is an actual fun good song with a memorable beat and hook that I actually listen to for outside of its context as a dis record
I can't imagine listening to "Ether" for pleasure