corgan with westie drumming would be . . . interesting, but doesn't he do everything else himself anyway?
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i mean in an imaginary world where the pumpkins were still kinda of an actual band and corgan didn't play anything....
jimmy chamberlain getting all Tool drummer on a shambling malkmus song...darcy nodding out in the corner
― pajamagram sam (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 19:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Pumpkins are super annoying. Pavement wins by default and I do like their first 2 albums.
― Jim, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link
i was trying to remember which simpsons episode they were both in but it was sonic youth. i like song 'cherub rock' a lot, the guitars are cool.
not voting
― Lamp, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Definitely Pumpkins. Used to think it was cheesy but this song has been haunting me the last few days: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd9Ke6pSu3s
― Fetchboy, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 23:06 (thirteen years ago) link
don't they both do everything else themselves?
Pavement by a mile.
― kraudive, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
pavement's hit/miss ratio is so much better.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 9 February 2011 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i think i voted pumpkins just because i happened to spend all week listening to them but range life >>> anything pumpkins did
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 23:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Pavement beats Billy Corgan to death with a skateboard
― lmao reminisces about his days in southern china (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link
the pretty songs always make me wish they had stayed psych and became the American Bevis Frond
man this is so true. I like 2/3rds of Gish and maybe half of Siamese Dream, plus Starla and a couple other oddities but ugh when they tried to RAWK it was just abominable. and then there was all the goth silliness. Also one of the absolute worst live shows/acts I have ever seen. Pavement and the Pumpkins both had a weird laziness/contempt-for-their-audience thing goin on in their live shows but Malkmus was so much cleverer and funny about it. Billy came out onstage and played like a spastic, self-absorbed 13 yo and then berated the audience for not appreciating him enough. horrible.
― lmao reminisces about his days in southern china (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 23:46 (thirteen years ago) link
Corgan is a flaming asshole toward everyone he ever works with. Malkmus agreed to a reunion tour he didn't need to do just to help a bro out financially. Pavement FTMFW.
― Pirates of the Caribbean V: Letters of Marque & Reprisal (Phil D.), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 23:49 (thirteen years ago) link
otoh corgan wrote records that went platinum x10000000000 so he didn't have to be in the position to help a bro out, because his bros were rich
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 23:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I sorta doubt James Iha is currently rich
― lmao reminisces about his days in southern china (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 10 February 2011 00:04 (thirteen years ago) link
or maybe he is, I dunno. did he get songwriting/publishing credits?
― lmao reminisces about his days in southern china (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 10 February 2011 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link
had the pumpkins quit after siamese dream and were billy not a tremendous asshole then . . . maybe
― mookieproof, Thursday, 10 February 2011 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link
on some things.
also you spend all yr money on heroin and also being a dick - tough luck. other pavement bros were bros, more likely to be dudes you want to help out when they need it
― if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 10 February 2011 00:10 (thirteen years ago) link
pavement
i am sorry for the infinite sadness of people who do not get why
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 February 2011 00:11 (thirteen years ago) link
the pavement reunion show was grebt but seeing spiral was kind of sad
― mookieproof, Thursday, 10 February 2011 00:13 (thirteen years ago) link
stevon malkie and the infinite slackness
― buzza, Thursday, 10 February 2011 00:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah Spiral looks like he could be everyone else's dad. Maybe not Westie.
― Pirates of the Caribbean V: Letters of Marque & Reprisal (Phil D.), Thursday, 10 February 2011 00:16 (thirteen years ago) link
pumpkins had the better drummer, i'll give em that
― Ayo Scott (rip van wanko), Thursday, 10 February 2011 00:17 (thirteen years ago) link
i wouldn't doubt if smashing pumpkins was a kiss-type deal where billy was the band financially and the other members were just paid employees
― pajamagram sam (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 February 2011 00:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Well, weren't they? Corgan boasted, half sheepishly, that he played all the guitar and a lot of the bass on those early records.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 February 2011 00:18 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah I thought that was the deal
― lmao reminisces about his days in southern china (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 10 February 2011 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link
The Pumpkins got better after the shaved head! Funny how some Pumpkins fans don't remember their early days, when they weren't bad at all, but probably kind of "sucked" by stadium rock terms.
this is madness
(voted Walt Mink)
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 10 February 2011 00:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I have never gotten what everybody thinks is so special about Jimmy Chamberlin's drumming. was completely surprised a few years ago to find he's entered the legions of "drum heroes" at Guitar Center, for ex.
― lmao reminisces about his days in southern china (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 10 February 2011 00:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean he's not bad, but I have a similar head-scratching reaction whenever a drummer praises U2's rhythm section
― lmao reminisces about his days in southern china (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 10 February 2011 00:21 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i just wasn't 100 percent sure but that was my impression
plus obv they wouldn't get songwriting or publishing, but if he played everything than d'arcy and james wouldn't get ANY royalties right?
just the gig money then, but yeah i bet they made remarkably little for being in what was p much the biggest band on earth for a minute
― O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, February 9, 2011 6:20 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
hahahahaha
― pajamagram sam (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 February 2011 00:21 (thirteen years ago) link
now walt mink those dudes could fuckin' PLAY man
― pajamagram sam (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 February 2011 00:22 (thirteen years ago) link
spiral looked like paul simon (now), while sm looked suitably indie rock-god-ish
― mookieproof, Thursday, 10 February 2011 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link
i know i've said this elsewhere on ilm but jimmy chamberlain is a boring boring drummer
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 10 February 2011 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link
he's no kenny aronoff
― pajamagram sam (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 February 2011 00:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Iha apparently has enough money to run a studio and a boutique label so I guess he isn't living out of a dumpster just yet
― lmao reminisces about his days in southern china (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 10 February 2011 00:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Pretty sure Iha has a couple songwriting credits on Mellon Collie.
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 10 February 2011 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link
stephen malkmus is a babe
― horseshoe, Thursday, 10 February 2011 00:44 (thirteen years ago) link
― da croupier, Wednesday, February 9, 2011 7:11 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
otm
Pumpkins easily. I still listen to Mellon Collie and Siamese Dream a lot, and I'm even a fan of that Aeroplane cash-in boxset ("Cherry"! "Tribute to Johnny"! Prety much every song on the "Tonight Tonight" single!). I still find it amazing that Billy could write like forty amazing songs in the span of two years, and nothing even remotely resembling an amazing song whatsoever for the next sixteen.
Pavement were never really my thing. I like "Summer Babe," "Stop Breathin'," "Perfume V," "Texas Never Whispers," and "In the Mouth of a Desert," but that's about it.
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 10 February 2011 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link
my dad thought pavement were some band from school's demo tape i had, and was quite shocked that they were a proper signed act.
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Thursday, 10 February 2011 01:27 (thirteen years ago) link
"your mate does a good american accent... v sloppy playing, tho."
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Thursday, 10 February 2011 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link
For all the abuse Pavement get for "not properly playing" or whatever, to my ears they sound closer -- in songwriting and feel -- to the studio rock I love from the seventies than the Pumpkins.
― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 February 2011 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link
no, true. i love them. there's a clip on a documentary were some german journalist basically tells them that. "you are brinking ze rock back!"
― http://i56.tinypic.com/xnsu1g.gif (max arrrrrgh), Thursday, 10 February 2011 01:33 (thirteen years ago) link
pavement had one song where you can actually feel something: "In the Mouth a Desert". smashing pumpkins has at the very least: "1979", "tonight" and "thirty-three". not even their rock songs but at least they are memorable
― homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 10 February 2011 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
Pavement was a decent (if still overrated act) up to and sort of including S&E (which was still decent, but god knows nothing as special as it was made out to be). After that they basically sucked. The Smashing Pumpkins always sucked.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 10 February 2011 01:57 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the people that like pavement somehow get something out of the guy's voice. Whether they can relate to it or whatever. I don't know what
― homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 10 February 2011 02:43 (thirteen years ago) link
but relating to a voice can be a big cause for liking something music-wise
― homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 10 February 2011 02:44 (thirteen years ago) link
You're forgetting something: Billy Corgan's reedy thin whine/yelp.
― i love you but i have chosen snarkness (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 10 February 2011 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link
Whining is '30 Seconds to Mars' and a bunch of contemporary rock. Corgan's growl sounds more like holding out a long nasalized note than whining (or something to that effect).
― homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 10 February 2011 03:01 (thirteen years ago) link
and his shitty middle school journal lyrics
xp
― Moreno, Thursday, 10 February 2011 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link
"corgan's growl"??
― mookieproof, Thursday, 10 February 2011 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link
ultimately pavement is bro music
― pajamagram sam (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 February 2011 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't
― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
horses play hockey now?
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I've said too much!
― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
no way, bob nastanovich was a riot in concert. guy was non-stop energy, even ambushing & gagging one of the crew guys at one point.
― The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link
pavement are one of those bands - probably because they're so normal, and thus serve as sort of a blank slate onto which people can project whatever they're feeling at the time - about which people have these crazy emotional irrationalities and theories about. proto-anco? what the hell does this mean? your problem is probably with their canonization, dude, not their music. they were just a fuckin indie rock band
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, they were a great indie rock band that wrote great songs, but come on
yeah I don't really see any similarities with Animal Collective. they're both composed of white guys, I guess?
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
guys! i don't want to know!
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
a huge part of the appeal of pavement for me was basically considering it the band me & my friends would sound like if we were all even capable enough to form one. and that this band didn't suck.. it was like the idealistic version of one.
― The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
bullshit fuckin poll
― absolutely better display name (crüt), Sunday, 24 July 2011 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― in 77 everything is fine (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 24 July 2011 02:21 (twelve years ago) link
despite how i squeal i am still just a mouse in a wheel
― some dude, Wednesday, February 9, 2011 10:18 PM (5 months ago) Bookmark
this was great!
― in 77 everything is fine (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 24 July 2011 02:25 (twelve years ago) link
credit goes to whatever kid my brother was friends with in high school that i heard it from originally
― drowning cool (some dude), Sunday, 24 July 2011 03:00 (twelve years ago) link
yeah Pavement should have won in a Reagan/FDR-type 49-state landslide.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 July 2011 03:02 (twelve years ago) link
What director would you want to work with?
At one point I almost worked with Darren Aronofsky. It didn't work out, but it was nothing bad, just didn't happen. I'd love to work with him because I think he really gets it, music wise. Scorsese. I don't think he knows I exist, but he has such an incredibly intuitive understanding of how to put music in film.
I think about that scene in "Mean Streets" with Harvey Keitel all the time, where the camera is fixed to him as he rolls into the bar and the Rolling Stones are playing, it's magic.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, I mean as a musician, I die for that moment. It just doesn't get any better than that. I would also love to just sit and listen to him break down a scene from his perspective. And Tarantino too.
What film would you live inside of, if you could?
I've been living in the film "Andrei Rublev" by (Andrei) Tarkovsky for about 15 years (laughs). It's a beautiful film about art, about being an artist. It's set in, you know, 1600's Russia, or sometime equally bleak.
http://www.ifc.com/news/2011/07/billy-corgan-and-the-fools-journey-pt-2.php
― buzza, Sunday, 24 July 2011 03:09 (twelve years ago) link
I'm still upset this wasn't a draw.
― billstevejim, Sunday, 24 July 2011 10:40 (twelve years ago) link
Round 2: Neil Hagerty vs. Pumpkins
https://twitter.com/TheHowlingHex/status/820748333094502400
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 18:13 (seven years ago) link
hmm... Billy is not a Trump supporter
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 18:16 (seven years ago) link
is that what Alex Jones told you
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 18:21 (seven years ago) link
oh, please. the only times I've ever listened or watched Infowars have been when Billy was a guest. he's never said anything hateful or discriminatory on there, it's all very hippy dippy spiritual stuff. and yeah, he's bought gold in bulk before, distilled water etc... he's a bit cuckoo. but not hateful. he's a contrarian and a conspiracy theorist, can't deny that.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 19:20 (seven years ago) link