Rolling 2004 Metal Thread

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I went to see Kataklysm. There were 25 people there. It was sad. But the band was pretty damn good, especially the guitarist. Talked to the vocalist afterward. He said the whole West Coast tour has been pretty dismal. Man, I hate this economy.

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 00:34 (twenty years ago) link

Welp, in case anyone else is still wondering, there is indeed a new Neurosis album, coming out next month on Neurot/Relapse as usual. The title is "The eye of every storm".

They've put one song on their website, which sounds pretty intriguing to me. Although the first time I played it, I thought someone was breaking into the garage because of that odd percussive bit that pops by a few times.
Neurosis - Eye Burn.mp3


The best metal albums I've heard so far this year have been the new Mayhem and My Dying Bride. Somewhat surprising really, but then I'm one of the few who also really liked the last Mayhem. MDB have proved that the last album wasn't a fluke as far as being able to make me exclaim "what the hell? They're GOOD again!?"

Oh, and I'll also like to plug one of the few good demo bands I know of these days, the Lotus Project. Very fancy musicianship, with some seriously cronkly rhythms abound, but not falling into the traps that those bands that tend to be called "prog metal" are usually stuck in. I'm sure these guys have listened to Cynic and Atheist quite a bit in their life.
Closets comparison point I can come up with is Italian death metallers Karnak.
[Lotus Project] This site has the "Echo" demo for download. I see they have a 'Maiden cover too now that wasn't there last I looked...

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 01:09 (twenty years ago) link

Here's where to download a new Confessor song.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 05:20 (twenty years ago) link

hell yeah! thanks ian!

that loincloth band is related to confessor, right? the music is totally in line with "condemned." which is a great album.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 05:51 (twenty years ago) link

At which point I'm going to type

GRAVES AT SEA

and leave it at that

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 08:27 (twenty years ago) link

what about BURIED AT SEA? they're pretty good.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 08:54 (twenty years ago) link

Confessor? New song!?
How on earth did THAT happen?
Next you're gonna tell me that the reunited Watchtower have not only recorded "Mathematics", but are releasing it in two days.
Anyways, I can't find any way to download the song from their site, only some terrible way to played it embedded in the flash-page...

Oh, the new Today Is The Day, "Kiss The Pig", is sounding really good too, but then I'm a big fan of that band. I think the new drummer is Rosswog from Circle Of Dead Children, who's really good, despite supposedly only starting drumming like a year before joining CODC?

Is the Loincloth demo still available? I emailed them to order a copy back when it came out, got a reply where they said something about them contacting me in a couple of days, and then I never heard from them again. Guess I should try again, as I've only heard positive things about it.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 12:25 (twenty years ago) link

Is the new TITD on promo or leaked or what?

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 12:33 (twenty years ago) link

Don't know, I've only heard the two songs that are available over on relapse.com... I guess promos should be out at least, as I know several people say Austin has sent them copies of it.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 12:39 (twenty years ago) link

Confessor? New song!?
How on earth did THAT happen?

I think they played a memorial show when Ivan Colon died, and that night flames were rekindled and soon after practice spaces rented.

Yep, Loincloth is Confessor's rhythm section with Pen Rollings and another bloke on guitars.

I'm fairly sure Watchtower is back together, and I'm certain their second career will be cut short by the Dangerous Toys reunion. That's just how things go.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 12:51 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, Watchtower have been back together for a couple of years, and the plan was to record Mathematics, finally, but things have been very silent on that front for a couple of years already (though I know they're still playing the odd show)

I wonder why there aren't more "Old boys teams" in death metal (aka supergroups! Except more fun!)
I'd like to hear more one-off projects between those guys... Luc Lemay and Flo Mounier (sp?) playing with Immolation would be something something something. But that's a different thread alltogether.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 14:16 (twenty years ago) link

On a more depressing note, I spent a couple hours the other night digging through a heavy crate of current metal releases from the past few months. This is a prolific time, and there's more than enough metal for any taste -- yet even so, I find it hard to appreciate in any small way the rise of EURO POWER METAL. I can barely tolerate the nu-Nitro corniness of Rhapsody, and the Sha Na Na appeal of Hammerfall makes perfect sense. But reckoning the bland liquid cheese of Nightwish, Tarot, Twilightning, Stratovarius, and Dragonforce is too much to digest in one fell swoop. I should have paced myself. Now I feel violated in light shades of airbrushed purple by impotent perfume metal.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 14:34 (twenty years ago) link

One of the most unfortunately ignored albums I've heard recently is the Force Of Evil disc. It's two ex-Mercyful Fate (guitars) and two ex-King Diamond (rhythm) guys, plus some anonymous screecher, and it's great melodic retro-thrash.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 14:44 (twenty years ago) link

Nightwish are lovely, Ian is so wrong!
And that new Neurosis album might be their best one ever, I think -- it's probably my favorite metal-per-se (as opposed to hard rock that nobody but me thinks is metal anymore) album of 2004 so far.

chuck, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:06 (twenty years ago) link

where is the lickgoldensky love. the new record is mindblowing.

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:13 (twenty years ago) link

lickengoldensky love and (much more deserved, to my ears) lickgoldensky cynicism are both upthread, myke.

chuck, Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:15 (twenty years ago) link

i listened to that lickgoldensky thing. i'm not exactly clear on why everyone's so hysterical about it, sounded pretty normal 'posthardcore' to me.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 16:53 (twenty years ago) link

yeah but no detail, chuck but i guess they do deserve their own thread.

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 17:02 (twenty years ago) link

Baby Rufus and I have been enjoying the Ragnarok album I got in the mail. We refuse to notice the summery day outside. Okay, that's not really true. We are going outside now, but our black metal hearts will shine darkly wherever we go.

Chuck, did you get that Peccatum album from The End? I would think you would like that one.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

Just got the Katatonia double-CD singles comp in the mail yesterday & am listening today: this of course is great stuff, the one I thought was awful was Viva Emptiness

Have taken a liking to that new Suffocation album, but it's still nowhere near as good as Decapitated's latest. And I like the guitar heroics on God Forbid's Gone Forever a whole lot - like the whole album,really, though I feel like I oughta feel guilty about that but fuck it, I liked their last one too

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 22:53 (twenty years ago) link

Hrmm, have Decapitated picked up a lot? I had their debut album, but while it was fun mostly for seeing those well-groomed youngsters and knowing that those wee lads are behind the album.
But overall it didn't do much for me, a bit too damn typical. I always yearned to listen to Vader instead.

Katatonia is one of those bands who I've owned almost all albums by, despite never really liking any of them. They have a way of being really likable at first, but have no re-play value for me.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 23:04 (twenty years ago) link

According to my, mileage may vary etc:

Decapitated's debut = kinda OK
Decapitated's 2nd (Nihility) = pretty damned good with a couple of great songs
new one = really, really good easy-to-get-lost-in death metal

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 23:07 (twenty years ago) link

Hmmm, maybe I should give it a shot. What with these days of easy sampling and all, I might as well try it. I did like the title track on Nihility, from what I remember.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 00:20 (twenty years ago) link

what would you guys recommend to a sissy who likes to buy a couple metal albums a year to appear cool and well-rounded?

dieblucasdie (dieblucasdie), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 01:41 (twenty years ago) link

Hmmm. Perhaps a stage dive directly into the pit at a Hatebreed show, preferably wearing sandals and a Darkness tank top?

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 05:43 (twenty years ago) link

what would you guys recommend to a sissy who likes to buy a couple metal albums a year to appear cool and well-rounded?

Mercyful Fate's classic Don't Break the Oath, and Dimmu Borgir's Death Cult Armageddon, which is absolutely unreal.

abegrand, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 06:19 (twenty years ago) link

So do Comets of Fire count as metal for you guys? I can never tell. They don't wear stupid evil costumes, so probably not. But either way, you should know that their new album is completely awesome.

chuck, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 20:13 (twenty years ago) link

I am on record as loving Comets on Fire (and disliking most black metal, so nyah on the stupid evil costumes dig) but I haven't heard the new one. NB linked piece does not actually get around to talking about Comets on Fire 'til the end of the third page.

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 20:49 (twenty years ago) link

haha oops wrong login

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 12 May 2004 20:54 (twenty years ago) link

Loincloth also feature someone from the math rock band 'Breadwinner'. Who were mighty fine.

Rock Bastard, Thursday, 13 May 2004 02:32 (twenty years ago) link

I saw Damageplan and Drowning Pool in concert last night. Drowning Pool wasn't very good. But Damageplan's live show was great -- much better than the forgettable album. The new vocalist was better than I thought he'd be, plus Dimebag really, really understands how to play METAL guitar. In a way, Dime and Vinnie may be better off without Phil Anselmo in the long run, particularly as Phil continues to slip away.

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Monday, 17 May 2004 02:45 (twenty years ago) link


Archeopteryx

http://www.pandacide.com/iframes/mp3s/ARCH_nrc.mp3

any thoughts?

AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 17 May 2004 06:32 (twenty years ago) link

sounds kinda like usaisamonster, but with shrieky parts. not bad.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Monday, 17 May 2004 06:36 (twenty years ago) link

like 'hardcore' usaisamonster.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Monday, 17 May 2004 06:38 (twenty years ago) link

Just got Inferno, the new Motörhead album, in this morning's mail. (Street date 6/22/04.) It's thrashier and heavier than Hammered, closer in spirit to We Are Motörhead or Bastards. (There's a song called "Whorehouse Blues" at the end with harmonica and acoustic guitar, though.) I wish they'd put more swing in their music, like they had in the late Seventies or even on the Rock 'n' Roll album. Still, it's pretty good so far. Hope they tour again soon.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Monday, 17 May 2004 13:47 (twenty years ago) link

>Archeopteryx
http://www.pandacide.com/iframes/mp3s/ARCH_nrc.mp3
any thoughts?<

Yeah, I think the link didn't work, but as a longtime fan of either birds with teeth or reptiles with feathers, I have to say they have an awesome name (which, I think, was previously used by some non-metal band in the late '70s or early '80s, who may or may not have had a song called "Barbarella." I'll check my 45s shelf at home.)

chuck, Monday, 17 May 2004 14:28 (twenty years ago) link

Any word on the new Pig Destroyer? The whole '2cd with 1 song taking up the entirety of 1 cd (dvd?)' thing is setting off my prog senses.... and has me thinking they might expand on the doom and drone bits that showed up towards the end of Prowler in the Yard. Which would be totally sweet.

original bgm, Monday, 17 May 2004 14:53 (twenty years ago) link

yeah anybody that liked that mp3 should go here:
www.archeopteryx.net
maybe you can get the mp3 link to work there, chuck?

AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 17 May 2004 20:20 (twenty years ago) link

argh....
http://www.archeopteryx.net/
there.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Monday, 17 May 2004 20:23 (twenty years ago) link

NNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEUUUUUUUURRRRRRROOOOOOSSSSSSSIIIIIISSSSSS!!!!!!!

Listening now to the new one. Baby and babymama went to the store so i can crank it. I heart Neurosis.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:18 (twenty years ago) link

when is it out??

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:20 (twenty years ago) link

It must be out soon. I dunno. I'll check the web-site. The promo stuff doesn't even say. There are more Neurot/electronic touches on it than the last couple albums. Well, unless you played that one album that was supposed to be played at the same time as the Neurot album. Which I never did. I love it, but then I just fucking love the sound they make. It's like really good drugs to me.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:28 (twenty years ago) link

I like the sound of this I do.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:55 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, this new Neurosis sounds pretty good. It's out in late June, last time I heard.

Download "Burn" here:
http://neurotrecordings.com/media/Neurosis_Eye_Burn.mp3

abegrand, Monday, 17 May 2004 22:17 (twenty years ago) link

Okay, there are some electronic touches, but they pretty much revert to form for the last half of the album. The first half is the strongest. They trail off into the ether a bit by the end. Well, as much as Neurosis ever does anyway. I really like it, and I think it will grow on me with repeated listenings. Right now, I would say I still like A Sun That Never Sets more though. Part of me would still like to see a complete mesh of the neurot/current-neurosis sound on one album though. They give a good glimpse of what that would sound like on this one. And I like it!

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 17 May 2004 22:22 (twenty years ago) link

I actually think I might prefer Neurosis's ether to their non-ether, which might be why the new one might be my favorite album by them that I've heard. (Well, actually, that Tribes of Neurot album was ALL ether, I guess. I liked it, but I prefer them with SOME non-ether to balance things out.) Anyway, the new one is just beautiful, I think. (By the way, Scott, I got through a couple Peccatum songs over the weekend, but not the whole album yet. It might help if I play it when I'm drowsy instead of when I'm driving a car, though.) (Which reminds me -- is it possible to take a TRAIN to your island? We've been considering that, if it's possible. If not, I know, I really have to reserve car-ferry space soon....)

chuck, Monday, 17 May 2004 22:55 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, that Peccatum has some woozy moments. Very pretty though.

You can take a train to Providence and get a bus to Wood's Hole and the ferry. The bus only takes about an hour. The train...hmm, how long does a train from New York to Providence take?

Oh, but wait, you are coming from PA possibly? That will, um, take a bit longer. The other annoying thing is that the bus station and train station in providence are not near each other, and you have to take a shuttle from the train station to the bus station. Ha Ha!! Got all that? That car might be looking good by now.

Hope everyone enjoyed the directions to Martha's Vineyard!! Me and Carly and J.T. will be waiting here.

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 17 May 2004 23:04 (twenty years ago) link

Okay, well, I'll let you know what we decide. The kids really like the idea of a long train ride anyway. We never did that before. Sherman is really into looking out at all the abandoned shacks and underneath parts of bridges in the countryside with graffiti on them.

Anyway, back to heavy metal. I am now listening to the new album by Zao, and I like it. I *always* like Zao! I feel like they do Meshuggah/Dillinger Escape Plan/Lickgoldensky stuff better than all those other bands (assuming those other bands are even sensible points of comparison). I'm not sure why. Maybe because they are Christians? Or because they have melodies? Or because the shrieking really sounds a LOT like Dan Kubinski on the first Die Kreuzen album? (Right now the singer is shrieking "baaarbed wiiiires," and it's just like that old Die Kreuzen song "Live Wire"!!)

chuck, Monday, 17 May 2004 23:19 (twenty years ago) link

how long does a train from New York to Providence take?

3 hrs!

Yo, do you guys like Necronomitron? Crazy noisy speed metal. CD on Load.

Ian Johnson (orion), Monday, 17 May 2004 23:37 (twenty years ago) link

I have always avoided Zao precisely because they're Christian, though I'm an asshole that way. I'm loving the new Jungle Rot album a great deal - very old-school death metal, reallly almost retro: none of the hyper-production/hyper-speed of Decapitated etc, real primitive-sounding - but also I don't have a lyric sheet, and I remember that the lyric sheet to their last one turned me off so much that I never listened to the album again. At any rate "Jungle Rot" is on my top five band names of all time list

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 17 May 2004 23:44 (twenty years ago) link


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