TS: Pavement / Smashing Pumpkins

(That's what I used to think whenever I drove by that city on I-94.)

Watervliet is not that far from where I live...

(I've thought about the Van Watervliet thing too)

hell, 'That Sound Wiped' is a zillion times better at dancepop than anything J Murphy has done

ok I'll zip it

I read that as J. Mascis for a second there.

Oof! Darcy Wrecked-tzky

1979
Soma
Mayonaise

Any of these 3 songs alone destroys Pavement's entire catalog.

those three songs aren't better than "loretta's scars," "unfair," "here," "stop breathin'," or "gold soundz"

TS: smugness vs megalomania

― gallagher 3 (latebloomer), Wednesday, February 9, 2011 7:09 PM (Yesterday)

indie autism vs. megalomania

of course john lennon is going to have a fondness for 1979

I thought this was a good question because of

*Their stupid childish feud that really seems to only entail Corgan whining and Malkmus just kinda laughing back at him and sorta not taking it seriously..
*I honestly don't know which of these 2 bands I like better. In my brain they seem pretty equal right now.
*Chronologically they pretty much covered almost exactly the same span of years and what seems to be a fairly equal output of music.
*Range Life
*I was hoping something like what took place mid-thread would happen.

lmao buzza

Who should I vote for?

whatever i wont

those three songs aren't better than "loretta's scars," "unfair," "here," "stop breathin'," or "gold soundz"

― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, February 10, 2011 10:40 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark

Oh hell yeah they are.

Loretta's Scars is really good.

Those 3 songs are miles above Pavements catalog...holy shit. The closest Pavement ever got to being good was Stop Breathing, which is a well-written song that the band still couldn't pull off. Why were they so goddamned lazy?

(Corgan, otoh, obviously tried too hard.)

Pumpkins had much lower lows and much higher highs.

Those 3 songs are miles above Pavements catalog...holy shit. The closest Pavement ever got to being good was Stop Breathing, which is a well-written song that the band still couldn't pull off. Why were they so goddamned lazy?

― Damo Suzuki's Dead Parrot (kkvgz), Friday, 11 February 2011 11:42 (30 minutes ago) Bookmark

ydgi

I don't want to have to.

I will admit, the only records I've heard by them are S&E and CR, CR, but they are both so annoying to listen to that I don't really feel like making an effort or expanding the breadth of my knowledge or anything.

boys are dying on these streets

I will admit, the only records I've heard by them are Gish and Siamese Dream, but they are both so annoying to listen to that I don't really feel like making an effort or expanding the breadth of my knowledge or anything.

(actually parts of gish are ok and wtf, "1979" is pretty undeniable)

yeah I dl'd 1979 yesterday after not having heard it in years and years (I have never been able to stomach the entirety of Colin Meloy and our Infinite Silliness) and that song is kind of both the peak and the end of SP.

I never saw Pavement live but I saw Smashing Pumpkins twice, on the Siamese Dream tour, both times disappointing because the band couldn't play together: Corgan keep speeding up the songs ahead of Chamberlain, or else Chamberlain played too slow; I dunno, but either way the songs sounded like a mess.

I voted for Smashing Pumpkins here because they're our generation's Boston.

xp with '33' being the zwan song

**BRINGING THREAD BACK FULL CIRCLE**:

Pavement "covered" 1979 at a couple shows iirc.

Man, our generation's Boston! Awesome.

Boston >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Smashing Pumpkings, c'mon now.

yeah, the dude in boston could really sing.

totally

hence "our generation's"

they both stink but pavement could take the pumpkins in a fight

Shasta OTM about Boston. I mean I guess they're similar as far as being the studio projects of megalomaniacs but yeah, the Boston dude has decent pipes.

Boston's riffs still deeply resonate 35 years later. Pumpkins? gtfo.

MARK MY WORDS

35 years after Gish or Siamese Dream, nobody but a cult niche of awkward dudes will even care... unlike the legions of rockers still ever-faithful to MORE THAN A FEELING to this very day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSR6ZzjDZ94

Lol awkward dudes, kill EM all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR9aRK2HdNc

Steve heeds the urgency of now.

pavement could take the pumpkins in a fight

this depends on whether gary young is included imo

Bob could be pretty aggressive I bet.

Both bands are way better than fucking Boston.

I have horrible songs from "Third Stage" stuck in my head now..

I'd just like to say fuck this thread for all of you saying "oh i remember "Today" from when I was a kid" THANK YOU FOR MAKNG ME FEEL OLD.

I saw both bands in the early 90 in a little pub before either got famebloated. They were good then. Then they sucked. Its kind of a tie.

I wouldn't suprised if Malkmus was a sincere Pumpkins fan. His lines about them in "Range Life" could be read as ambigously complimentary.

i envision spiral and d'arcy in a slap fight, iha pretending he knows karate before nastanovich kicks his ass, ibold and westie staring at the sky, corgan and malkmus battling with epees and malkmus slowly cutting him up like indigo montoya did to christopher guest.

but jimmy chamberlin and gary young are just mauling each other mma stylee until everyone else turns away in disgust at the carnage.

gish is awesome, an all time psych rock jam, and there are good songs after that, but come on, this isn't fair. malkmus solo >>>>> smashing pumpkins

I always had this pet hypothesis that SP fans were just big romantics in one sense of the word or another. For ppl with heavy feelings! For ppl who like dragons, you know?

I got into SP because they really touched an emotional nerve with me at age 15 + I liked that there was a lot of makeup in their videos. Pavement I got into bcz my friends and I saw them play on 120 Minutes (iirc) and we thought Bob Nastonovich had to be the developmentally delayed brother of one of the four other guys on the screen.