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how can run into flowers work better as a concept? i don't understand, cuz i always see music inevitably as a process.

natedey (ndeyoung), Monday, 9 May 2005 04:39 (nineteen years ago) link

and am i the only one who finds the luciano mix of teen angst too prude? the original just delivers too much and the remix just plays with delivering too much.

natedey (ndeyoung), Monday, 9 May 2005 04:49 (nineteen years ago) link

no, natedey, i absolutely agree. i was slightly disappointed by it. that said: i've only listened to it the once.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 9 May 2005 06:24 (nineteen years ago) link

this is great stuff, thanks for the rip grimlord :-)

willem (willem), Monday, 9 May 2005 14:17 (nineteen years ago) link

how can run into flowers work better as a concept?

In brief (and risking the wrath of the injured Spencer) -- I sense what they were thinking of when they came up with the song and enjoy that, but the end results are kinda flat. (See also most everything by the Killers.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 May 2005 14:19 (nineteen years ago) link

ned, it pains me to say this, but you're just plain wrong. this is how it was for me:

scene: mono, the glasgow bar, october 7, 2003. GRIMLY and his MATE, whose birthday it is, are sitting being morose in the corner.

MATE: so anyway, i was thinking ...
[the BARMAN puts a CD in the machine and a SONG starts up. it is buzzy and interesting]
MATE: ... and it's the most incredible idea in the world ever ...
[suddenly the SONG begins a beautiful weaving melody and a glorious series of crescendos]
MATE: and it's really, really important that we talk about it now otherwi ... [clang]
[MATE falls over as GRIMLY rushes past him, grabs the BARMAN by the throat and demands to know what this life-changing piece of music is. it turns out to be "run into flowers", and thus a new dawn in GRIMLY'S life begins. many of his friends receive copies of "dead cities" for their birthdays/christmas, including his MATE, who is so blown away he never remembers his big idea. everyone lives slightly more happily ever after than they would without the healing power of "run into flowers".]

well, something like that, anyway.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 9 May 2005 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link

risking the wrath of the injured Spencer

Righteousness knows no wounds!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 9 May 2005 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link

The Luciano mix is incredible. It's all about the tease, you maximalists!

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 9 May 2005 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link

well, something like that, anyway.

Good on yer, that's something close to how I felt when I first heard "Soon." Dead Cities left me cold aside from the final track that just went on forever but did so interestingly. This is one reason why I'm so impressed with the new one, it just feels much more ON -- like leaping out of the speakers and enveloping me immediately on -- and the hyperdrama works whereas the previous one's efforts did not. It felt cold, sterile almost, like those Delgados mega-orchestrated albums that left me terribly cold. The sheer *awe* in which "Run Into Flowers" is regarded with by so many is impressive but I just don't feel it at all.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 May 2005 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean, if this helps in drawing a comparison -- on Rock Action, Mogwai on "2 Rights Make 1 Wrong" created a song which I still think is probably their finest effort, and nailed the crescendo/epic/lead melody combination SO perfectly, so rightly. It stands out still for me as an example of sublime, careful arrangement, of making sure everything is in its place, of huge scope and quiet, reflective detail. It's a song that makes me glad to be alive. So I'm not *un*moved by the prospect of something that does something similar for others, obv., it's just that if I had to measure up the two songs in terms of immediate and lasting impact both, M83 just falls by the wayside, and on its own it's...*searches for the word*...what, nice? Vaguely pleasant? I can't add much more.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 May 2005 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Ned, your meh-ing of this track is one of the great ILM mysteries for me. It is *easily* one of the top overtly MBV-influenced tracks ever. "Vaguely pleasant"??? Do you have like a mislabeled mp3 or something? I just watched the video again and it's just pure sublime tone and movement, rapturous and melancholy at the same time.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 9 May 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

See, the thing is -- and I just thought about this after posting the above -- that to my mind there's a much *much* better -- to my mind! -- example of what M83 tried to do on that song that I've loved for some years, Flowchart's Cumulus Mood Twang. It is, of all their efforts, the most overtly MBVish in ways, but it also captures them right when their varying techno *and* rock noise impulses were in near perfect balance -- the fulcrum for what was done before and since. The result is often a slippery, beautiful and loud cascade.

And then again -- "pure sublime tone and movement, rapturous and melancholy" = that Mogwai track to me. I mean, seriously, this is a great description! I'd just rather use it for another song! :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 May 2005 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link

... M83 just falls by the wayside, and on its own it's...*searches for the word*...what, nice? Vaguely pleasant? I can't add much more.

Somewhere way upthread, I compared M83's "Dead Cities" to Spacemen 3's "Playing With Fire". The latter has never been one of my fave S3 albums in part because the drum machines give it a glossy, synthetic quality which I think is unbecoming to S3 (live versions of the same songs are a completely different matter, though).

Similarly, tracks like "Run Into Flowers" and "0078h" have a glossy, overly-polished feel compared to the rawer "Before the Dawn ..." songs, in large part because more real instruments were used. So I can understand why some people would be (perhaps unexpectedly, in the case of someone like Ned) left cold by "Run Into Flowers".

(note: I'm not trying to get all psychoanalytic on him, or argue for the superiority of "real instruments" (yuck))

Furthermore, I would apply those exact criticisms to M83's tour opener, Ulrich Schnauss, who takes an approach to shoegazing that is approx 1000X glossier than anything M83 have done.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 9 May 2005 21:16 (nineteen years ago) link

It is entirely possible that a full live set by M83 would change my mind on the earlier songs. I would have attended the M83/Schnauss set last September in LA had not other plans cropped up, for instance, so I wasn't ruling them out for existing!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 May 2005 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, ned, if only you'd seen mogwai do "2 rights" at the slint ATP this year. it was the best i've ever seen them do it - maybe the fourth or fifth time - and it was a moment of sonic perfection. it was devotional music: the closest i think i have ever or will ever come to a spiritual experience. and no, i wouldn't say that "run into flowers" comes close to that particular moment. but nothing else in life ever will :)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 9 May 2005 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

and i'll be checking out that flowchart thang as soon as i get a spare moment.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 9 May 2005 22:17 (nineteen years ago) link

You might not like it! I can make no claims beyond what I think. I believe I did the AMG review of it, though, so that might help.

The Mogwai set sounds most special. I'm envious! :-) Glad I've seen them a couple of times, though.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 May 2005 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

wow. this KCRW set is rock-tastic. i've listened to barely nothing else for a day. the joy division guitar in "teen angst"! the drumming in "a guitar and a heart"! absolutely fantastic. spencer: thanks again for telling us about this.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Barry, clearheaded, on M83 = OTM

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Gygax, I'm sure everyone on this thread considers their own comments to be clearheaded.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 19:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, the glossiness factor of "Run Into Flowers" is a non-issue for me - it would be a beautiful track whether less or even more glossy.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Spencer Chow, clearheaded, on clearheadedness

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

So is this Luciano mix actually released on physical media or an online store somewhere? I haven't seen a single tracklisting that mentions it. If it's on super-secret white label, who do I bribe?

mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 11 May 2005 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

holy jesus. the M83 remix of "black cherry" is astonishing. absolutely incredible. an act of collaboration is called for.
goldfrapp's black cherry?

ysi?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link

it's all over sl$k: you should be able to find it there. if not, let me know here and i'll do it ... it'll be a good bit later, though. am kinda tied up right now :0

grimly fiendish, lacking in ouzo (grimlord), Thursday, 19 May 2005 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

so. should we be happy that here in the UK a snippet of "teen angst" is being used to puff some piss-poor julie burchill adaptation that's coming up on channel 4? hmph.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Has anyone been to an M83 DJ set? Does he DJ? Thinking about booking him for a DJ set, but, well, not sure how it would turn out...

phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 3 June 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

No idea, but I'd be very interested. Can he send you a playlist?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 3 June 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

mmmmmm

teeth montrose (Cozen), Saturday, 4 June 2005 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

so warm

teeth montrose (Cozen), Saturday, 4 June 2005 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

should sit down really

teeth montrose (Cozen), Saturday, 4 June 2005 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

but

teeth montrose (Cozen), Saturday, 4 June 2005 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

and again and again

teeth montrose (Cozen), Saturday, 4 June 2005 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

2 Rights Make 1 Wrong

Nic de Teardrop (Nicholas), Sunday, 5 June 2005 01:39 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Lyrics to Run Into Flowers:

Give me grace and chemicals,
I want to run into.

nothing, Sunday, 17 July 2005 06:24 (nineteen years ago) link

thanks!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 29 July 2005 22:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha, the video for "Don't Save Us From the Flames" stars notable LA hipsters!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 29 July 2005 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I just saw a new Pontiac commerical with "Don't Save Us From the Flames" in it - well, new to me. Cool little spot!

kickitcricket (kickitcricket), Saturday, 10 September 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
ok, i loathe and despise bloc party, but there's an M83 remix of "the pioneers" on iTMS now and it is exquisite.

i'd YSI it but hymn doesn't appear to be working with stuff bought in iTunes 6, so ... anyway, it's only 79p. go on, get it. it sounds, basically, like a great lost depeche mode track.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 6 November 2005 15:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Coincidence! I just uploaded this for a friend...

Bloc Party - The Pioneers (M83 remix)

http://s5.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=35BFRBNPNNTIA36WPDBFAVLDH5

Roz (Roz), Sunday, 6 November 2005 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link

woo, freaky synchronicity.

GET DOWNLOADING, THE KIDS.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 6 November 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

i loathe and despise bloc party, but there's an M83 remix of "the pioneers" on iTMS now and it is exquisite

See, this way you will now see how great Bloc Party are. Wait, where are you going?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 6 November 2005 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link

"this [is]like being sprayed with giant windex bottles of hypercolor twinkle dust. like the turquoise hexagon sun is engulfing you. pleasant as it is, it's almost too much, too saturated, a day dream binge.
-- Honda (onehal...), May 12th, 2003."

This is the best description of M83 I have ever read. Amazing!

Stuck to a Seat in the New Beverly (Bent Over at the Arclight), Sunday, 6 November 2005 17:53 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

so i got an e-mail -- in french -- a couple of days ago telling me all about m83's new "ambient" album. i was suspicious.

i just listened to the tiny extract -- 1'30" worth of new song -- on myspace (go on, you can guess the address).

i wept. i'm not joking. somehow the music he makes is hard-wired to my soul. it's not even a reaction i try to explain any more.

out on september 3 (in the US and france, anyway; not sure about the UK yet.) i have a feeling it might just pip jesu, trans am and low -- and the mute box set -- to the coveted "grimly album of the year" spot, and i've not even heard the fucker yet.

based on that minute and a half, though ... no, really.

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 10:56 (seventeen years ago) link

ewan pearson has been working on this, apparently.

haitch, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 12:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I sometimes forget how massively in love I was/have been/still am with M83 (esp. their debut and "Dead Cities..."). Thank you for my new-found anticipation for their/his next disc!

I am, however, doubly intrigued by grimly fiendish's high regard for Trans Am's latest. I'd read it was a return-to-form of sorts (personally, secretly hoping for a "Surrender To The Night" era resurgence of some kind sometime), but hadn't seen "Sex Change" held in such high regard elsewhere {which is my roundabout way of saying, tell me more! (please)}.

dblcheeksneek, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 13:18 (seventeen years ago) link

my sex change thred in all its glory

it's probably the best thing they've done, to be honest. it's more ... what's the word? "focused", perhaps ... than "surrender" (and certainly than "red line"), and certainly less knowing than "liberation" (which i actually think is enormously under-rated). it's like essence of trans am; all the ingredients distilled into an album of perfection.

really. it's that good. it's better than that. go get.

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 13:24 (seventeen years ago) link

(how did "mi" become "my" there? grr.)

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

the lack of interest in this could also make me weep.

grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 22:38 (seventeen years ago) link


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