Are white people who say "I don't like hip hop" yet listen to it when white people make it really saying "i don't like black people"?

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"Pull your brains out your ass with a hanger"
Yes, that's English.

― senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Sounds like "ooga booga" to me! Haha, but seriously, I'm always finding out what the street lingo means 3 years after the fact. Also, Latino hiphop is huge and not English.

― The Masked Racist!, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:44 (eighteen years ago) link

just wait until the mike skinner's reggaeton album

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't consider Beck hip-hop (I mean, it is so much more than just that one genre), but if some white guy dismisses hip-hop and still likes Beastie Boys and Eminem and absolutely no black hip-hop acts, then it is kind of suspect.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Is it really? Aren't the Beastie Boys and Eminem really quite different from black hip-hop acts?

― The Masked Racist!, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Elvis would wear a football helmet when he watched football games.

― Some Guy, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...

http://www.slate.com/id/2141421/nav/tap1/
Does Hating Rap Make you a Racist?
Stephin Merritt is singled out in the crossfire by Sasha Frere-Jones.

― Jacobo Rock (jacobo rock), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Stephin Merritt is a goddamn cracker

― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:22 (eighteen years ago) link

"Zip-A-Dee Doo-Dah" was good enough for Sun Ra.

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:23 (eighteen years ago) link

i can't believe how goddamn stupid these anti-merritt people are.

― mervin heinz, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

When the left starts calling people racist because they don't listen to enough hip hop and rap....that's how Republicans stay in office.

― Rush Limbaugh, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Dear fellow Republicans: Just a friendly reminder that if you espouse a viewpoint that advocates multi-culturalism, you're a member of "the left."

― mervin heinz, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Stephin Merritt is a goddamn cracker

You're just kidding around but the word cracker comes from Scotland and the obnoxious Scottish people who got that tag ("Shakespeare's King John (1595): "What cracker is this . . . that deafes our ears / With this abundance of superfluous breath?") ironically moved to the Southern US and formed both Southern white and black American culture in general.

The black card game of whist (which some of my black friends' still play!) was picked up directly from Northern Brits for one example.

To call Merritt a cracker is essentially no different from calling him a "loud nigger."

I'm just pointing out that irony always wins.

― Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Moreover, the whole of their sustained attack against Merritt is founded on the dangerous and stupid notion that one's taste in music can be interrogated for signs of racist intent the same way a university's admissions process can:

Again. Irony. Winning, etc

― Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link

That article hurt Jessica Hopper's feelings :(

http://tiny.abstractdynamics.org/

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

There are like ten million other, lamer things about Merritt than his supposed racism.

― adam (adam), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Clearly the people who hate Merritt hate white people.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

(Or at least increasingly boring white people).

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

There are like ten million other, lamer things about Merritt than his supposed racism.

Ohhhhh-T-M !!

― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Could it at least be noted that during that 100 songs of the century by year poll, he actually did vote for a rap song?

Or is it his token hip-hop selection in question? Or his token 11% of his votes by black artists? There are plenty of other cultures completely absent from his ballot as well, should we alert Amnesty International?

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link

cunga added to the esteemed list of white ilxers who drop the n-word for no reason

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

ahem, as if jpegs of William Henry Harrison count as a "reason"

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Does Merritt vote for his own songs in the P&J as well, like certain other people?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

quoting beanie sigel = reason

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link

http://image.com.com/mp3/images/cover/200/dre800/e826/e82638oqzc4.jpg

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Hopper is dumber than a bag of hammers

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not sure about Merrit's supposed racism but the line
"Get that fucking chihuahua away from me, NOW" is convincing evidence of SFJ's homophobia.

― Bidfurd (Bidfurd), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.cdquest.com/images/album_art/sorted/0602/4986/0602498625675.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:04 (eighteen years ago) link

the Slate article says that Merritt does own a chihuahua, though. are chihuahuas a gay stereotype? I always kinda thought they were but wasn't sure if I just thought that because my gay uncle used to have a chihuahua.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link

lol @ shipley's sitcom family

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link

we had a sassy black friend too but Stephin Merritt came by with a burning cross

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link

also, no lie, my uncle's chihuahua was named Pee-Wee.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Pet Shop Boys, "I Want a Dog"
---------------
I want a dog,
A chihuahua
When I get back to my small flat
I want to hear somebody bark
Oh, (oh oh) you can get lonely

Don't want a cat,
Scratching its claws all over my
Habitat
Giving no love and getting fat
Oh, (oh oh) you can get lonely
And a cat's no help with that

-----------

Morrissey, "King Leer"
-----------

Your boyfriend, he
displays to me
more than just
a hint of cruelty
I tried to surprise you
I crept up behind you
with a homeless chihuahua
you gushed for an hour
you handed him back and said
"You'll never guess
I'm bored now"

---

thus: CHIHUAHUA = GAYISM

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

GAYHUAHUA

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/FOOD/news/07/19/taco.bell.ap/story.taco.ap.jpg

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Also NOT a racist:

http://www.chihuahua-info.de/fotos/paris.hilton.chihuahua.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

"yo quiero gay lifestyle!"

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

'the gay Chihuahua beach'

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

(...ok, there's much better stuff upthread than what I'll say here, but I wanted to get out some frustration about how even people that I admire very much seem to have retreated to lame strawmen)

This debate is fucking boring. It's so lame, people aren't even talking past each other, they're just popping out these strawmen that were stale the first time someone trotted them out. Sasha and Jessica aren't arguing that people who hate rap hate black people. Whatsisname at Slate isn't arguing that musical taste exists in a vacuum.

Frankly, Magnetic Fields stuff is so escapist, so clearly untouched by urban America, that it does strike me as similar (in its cultural white flight) to all the creepy, interchangeable white suburban/rural dramas on TV that started with Dawsons Creek (the OC, Smallville, One Tree Hill, etc etc.)

On the other hand, I believe Stephin when he says he just doesn't give a shit about syncopation and rhythm and shit. Man just likes a good tune, and thank god, because now we have 69 Love Songs. And that being the case, his taste is going to skew white. It's problematic, but not inherently racist.

I dunno, I think Sasha and Jessica chose the wrong guy to pick on here, but can we recognize that linking taste in music to the rest of the culture isn't ridiculous?

― Lukas (lukas), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:22 (eighteen years ago) link

slocki that is some timely humor

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link

where's the beef

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha ha ha! Oh gosh that's funny! That's really funny! Do you write your own material? Do you? Because that is so fresh. "You are the weakest link, goodbye!" You know, I've, I've never heard anyone make that joke before. Hmm. You're the first. I've never heard anyone reference, reference that outside the program before. Because that's what she says on the show, right? Isn't it? "You are the weakest link, goodbye." And, and yet you've taken that, and used it out of context, to insult me in this everyday situation. God, what a clever, smart girl you must be, to come up with a joke like that all by yourself! That's so fresh too. Any, any Titanic jokes you want to throw at me too as long as we're hitting these phenomena at the height of their popularity. God you're so funny!

― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Hi Stewie!

Dudes, see the EMP thread for much more on this, including posts from Hopper and a big-ass thing I posted before I realized y'all were talking about it here.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/23/Spuds_mackenzie.jpg

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:32 (eighteen years ago) link

ack, thanks nabisco

― Lukas (lukas), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I did not have to ask Jessica Hopper whether she's ok with rap that objectifies women when she's not going apeshit about "Wait (The Whisper Song)," because the inclusion of "Put The Pussy On Me" on her Pazz & Jop ballot served as a pre-emptive answer.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link

i just took a look at Hopper's blog, and good god she is fucking dumb.

― jeremiah q. fuckface, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 20:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't get how one could possibly connect not liking Justin Timberlake to not liking black people -- the creepy, sexually aggressive frat boy is a white stereotype, no?

― Pessimist, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 20:12 (eighteen years ago) link

What do we think of Sasha's response to the shitstorm?

http://www.sashafrerejones.com/2006/05/idee_trix.html

― Treblekicker (treblekicker), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link

sfj should listen to nabisco

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 20:35 (eighteen years ago) link

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