smashing pumpkins is the pop band equivalent of the movie Krull. Krull can be a ton of fun to watch, but all the while you are - consciously or not - making allowances for the fact that it is Krull. likely you were kinda young when you first saw it and you still have some fond memories. most people will probably get on board with Krull being kinda fun once in a while, but if you try to compare it to a real movie, that's just embarrassing for everyone concerned.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:55 (thirteen years ago) link
rmde
― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
nah SP are more like a great-looking big budget sci-fi flick that's ultimately kind of vapid and in love with itself but still pretty enjoyable on a visceral level and respectable for some of its craftsmanship. Pavement seem more like Krull based on your description.
― some dude, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link
"the railroad jerks"
was this on purpose or
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link
lol no not really
― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
hahah ok
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link
nah SP are more like a great-looking big budget sci-fi flick that's ultimately kind of vapid and in love with itself but still pretty enjoyable on a visceral level and respectable for some of its craftsmanship
sooo... Fifth Element?
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Kinda, but there's not a trace of any FIFTH ELEMENT tongue-in-cheek in SP. Enfold a fourteen year-old's sense that everyday's-the-end-of-the-world-melodrama-a-dozen-exclamation-marks and you might be close.
― The Future Of The Internet is Computers (R Baez), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link
p sure the emptiness is loneliness quote is supposed to be tongue in cheek...
― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link
My thirteen year-old soul knows that every word that left Corgan's mouth meant what it said, nary a trace of irony.
― The Future Of The Internet is Computers (R Baez), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Corgan is one lyricist where i have absolutely no idea to what degree he really means it and how much is calculated or ironic or condescending to the audience
― some dude, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link
if Yo La Tengo, GBV, Liz Phair, Moonshake, Bailter Space, Bardo Pond, The Fall, Superchunk, Bettie Serveert, Couch, Helium, and Unsane weren't every one of them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pavement
Whoa whoa guys let's walk away before somebody says something they're gonna regret and not be able to take back.
― All you have to do is combine 1 to 7 with (a) to (d) and you should ha (Phil D.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link
xp well he did release a book of poetry so that's one clue imo
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
So did Jewel, that really doesn't get us anywhere.
― All you have to do is combine 1 to 7 with (a) to (d) and you should ha (Phil D.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link
? what about Liz Phair, Phil ?
― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Corgan's a straight shooter, yes. Don't much care for him beyond, y'know, SIAMESE-DREAM-AND-THAT-ONE-SONG-ON-THE-SINGLES-SOUNDTRACK-4-EVA, but I've never detected a bit of lyrical indirection on his part.
― The Future Of The Internet is Computers (R Baez), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean even assuming we're restricting ourselves to Liz's Matador output, that still leaves us most of Whitechocolatespaceegg to contend with, of which "Cut Your Hair" and "Range Life" alone are better.
― All you have to do is combine 1 to 7 with (a) to (d) and you should ha (Phil D.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link
― All you have to do is combine 1 to 7 with (a) to (d) and you should ha (Phil D.), Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:14 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
hahaha i think that actually gets us a lot of places!
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Let's hope this all leads to a convoluted New-York-School-Poets analogy.
― The Future Of The Internet is Computers (R Baez), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Actually Phil you're kinda right...haven't heard much of WCSE but CR, CR is a better album than Whip Smart (though I'll take the best songs from the latter over the best from the former in a heartbeat)...I guess I just thought Exile is _that_ good that it could take the handicap of her subsequent output and still comes out better than Pavement...
...and it would, if it weren't for Gary Young, he is easily the most appealing part of the Pavement mythos. The rest is proto-Anco horse-hockey
― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link
in short: "Malkmus? More like Chalkmus, amirite?"
― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
proto-anco? do i even want to know?
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't
― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
horses play hockey now?
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I've said too much!
― if music be the fuiud of love then piss off (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link
no way, bob nastanovich was a riot in concert. guy was non-stop energy, even ambushing & gagging one of the crew guys at one point.
― The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link
pavement are one of those bands - probably because they're so normal, and thus serve as sort of a blank slate onto which people can project whatever they're feeling at the time - about which people have these crazy emotional irrationalities and theories about. proto-anco? what the hell does this mean? your problem is probably with their canonization, dude, not their music. they were just a fuckin indie rock band
― kl0p's son (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, they were a great indie rock band that wrote great songs, but come on
yeah I don't really see any similarities with Animal Collective. they're both composed of white guys, I guess?
― ice cr?m's world of female people (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link
guys! i don't want to know!
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link
a huge part of the appeal of pavement for me was basically considering it the band me & my friends would sound like if we were all even capable enough to form one. and that this band didn't suck.. it was like the idealistic version of one.
― The previous message has been brought to you by (kelpolaris), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
bullshit fuckin poll
― absolutely better display name (crüt), Sunday, 24 July 2011 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― in 77 everything is fine (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 24 July 2011 02:21 (twelve years ago) link
despite how i squeal i am still just a mouse in a wheel
― some dude, Wednesday, February 9, 2011 10:18 PM (5 months ago) Bookmark
this was great!
― in 77 everything is fine (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 24 July 2011 02:25 (twelve years ago) link
credit goes to whatever kid my brother was friends with in high school that i heard it from originally
― drowning cool (some dude), Sunday, 24 July 2011 03:00 (twelve years ago) link
yeah Pavement should have won in a Reagan/FDR-type 49-state landslide.
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 July 2011 03:02 (twelve years ago) link
What director would you want to work with?
At one point I almost worked with Darren Aronofsky. It didn't work out, but it was nothing bad, just didn't happen. I'd love to work with him because I think he really gets it, music wise. Scorsese. I don't think he knows I exist, but he has such an incredibly intuitive understanding of how to put music in film.
I think about that scene in "Mean Streets" with Harvey Keitel all the time, where the camera is fixed to him as he rolls into the bar and the Rolling Stones are playing, it's magic.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, I mean as a musician, I die for that moment. It just doesn't get any better than that. I would also love to just sit and listen to him break down a scene from his perspective. And Tarantino too.
What film would you live inside of, if you could?
I've been living in the film "Andrei Rublev" by (Andrei) Tarkovsky for about 15 years (laughs). It's a beautiful film about art, about being an artist. It's set in, you know, 1600's Russia, or sometime equally bleak.
http://www.ifc.com/news/2011/07/billy-corgan-and-the-fools-journey-pt-2.php
― buzza, Sunday, 24 July 2011 03:09 (twelve years ago) link
I'm still upset this wasn't a draw.
― billstevejim, Sunday, 24 July 2011 10:40 (twelve years ago) link
Round 2: Neil Hagerty vs. Pumpkins
https://twitter.com/TheHowlingHex/status/820748333094502400
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 18:13 (seven years ago) link
hmm... Billy is not a Trump supporter
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 18:16 (seven years ago) link
is that what Alex Jones told you
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 18:21 (seven years ago) link
oh, please. the only times I've ever listened or watched Infowars have been when Billy was a guest. he's never said anything hateful or discriminatory on there, it's all very hippy dippy spiritual stuff. and yeah, he's bought gold in bulk before, distilled water etc... he's a bit cuckoo. but not hateful. he's a contrarian and a conspiracy theorist, can't deny that.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 19:20 (seven years ago) link