― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 28 May 2004 20:54 (twenty years ago) link
― frankE (frankE), Friday, 28 May 2004 20:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Saturday, 29 May 2004 00:10 (twenty years ago) link
1. That they are a total and long-deserved slap in the fact to the sexless white-bread goody-goody PURITANISM of country, as typified not only by alt-style No Depression horseshit but also by such semi-talented superstar bores as George Strait, Randy Travis, Alan Jackson, Clint Black, etc (all of whom have a few great moments, but who cares. Especially now.)
2. That their sudden ubiquitousness on country stations may well represent the most quantum leap taken by ANY musical genre in, I dunno, decades. At least.
3. That the preacher stuff at the beginning and rap in the middle of "Rollin'" always make me think of "Let it Out (Let it All Hang Out)" by the Hombres.
4. That the way they pronounce "sit-TAY" and "prit-TAY" in "Save a Horse" always reminds me of old funk guys, especially Larry Blackmon of Cameo, and I assume this is absolutely intentional.
5. That the way they suddenly exclaim "...and we made LOVE!" in the same song has more sex in it than any country, rock, rap, pop, OR dance song to hit the radio in recent memory. Prove me wrong.
6. That their album could easily wind up being the first album by anybody that I give 30 points to on a Pazz and Jop ballot. Ever.
― chuck, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 13:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 13:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 13:54 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:06 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:08 (twenty years ago) link
Disclaimer: What I mean by this is that, since I've owned the album, I've ASSUMED that was only the sixth or seventh best song. But maybe I'm wrong: maybe the A&R people at Warners Nashville know something I don't. I would not have picked this track as one of the most obvious early singles, either. But if all the songs that sounded even better to me the first 20 times I heard the album sound even better than this one when they get released as radio singles, watch out...
― chuck, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:22 (twenty years ago) link
I mean "slap in the face," duh.
― chuck, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:23 (twenty years ago) link
Also holy fuck the end of Real World!
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:24 (twenty years ago) link
too "somber"/boringas a single but on discit sounds very nice
good contrast to theWestern Myth song at the end,but both are like "eh"
my daughter's fave songis "six foot town", she alwayslaughs, "he's a giant!"
--and andrew OTM end of 'real world'--
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:39 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 14:56 (twenty years ago) link
― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:14 (twenty years ago) link
― dave q, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:36 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:38 (twenty years ago) link
easily best couplet of the year
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:48 (twenty years ago) link
first it wasn't easy--Changin' Rock & Roll and minds
― chuck, Tuesday, 1 June 2004 16:56 (twenty years ago) link
I play guitar and I play my songs in the swuuuuuuuunnnshiiiiiiiiiiiiine!
― Scott CE (Scott CE), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 17:07 (twenty years ago) link
― thomas de'aguirre (biteylove), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 14:28 (twenty years ago) link
― danh, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 16:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 4 June 2004 12:29 (twenty years ago) link
Haha, I just heard this last night for the first time and when "Wild West Show" came on I was like, "is this the Mission?" Roll on goth-country takeover!
― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:14 (twenty years ago) link
2. That their sudden ubiquitousness on country stations may well represent the most quantum leap taken by ANY musical genre in, I dunno, decades. At least.>>
Chuck, I get what you're saying here, and I kinda agree, but do you really think Big & Rich is that big a leap from the ironic jiggle-and-bling videos that have been all over mainstream country for at least the past 5 years? the quasi-hip hop bravado of Toby Keith, etc? I mean, B&R definitely are the most dramatic shift in this direction so far, but I don't see it as that surprising or unprecedented.
― Al (sitcom), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Al (sitcom), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:27 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:29 (twenty years ago) link
While I do think Chuck may be taking it a bit far with some of his declarations on this one, here I think he may (may) have something. To the above quote, I'd say that the difference lies what B&R walk in the video and talk in the music is where he has merit.
― frankE (frankE), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:33 (twenty years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:35 (twenty years ago) link
Yeah, really remember those old Hank Jr all my rowdy friends videos....and that God Bless Texas one from about 10 years ago?
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Scott CE (Scott CE), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 4 June 2004 14:52 (twenty years ago) link
― frankE (frankE), Friday, 4 June 2004 18:41 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Friday, 4 June 2004 19:41 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Friday, 4 June 2004 19:47 (twenty years ago) link
― Al (sitcom), Friday, 4 June 2004 19:49 (twenty years ago) link
― dave q, Friday, 4 June 2004 19:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Friday, 4 June 2004 19:52 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Friday, 4 June 2004 19:53 (twenty years ago) link
― dave q, Friday, 4 June 2004 19:57 (twenty years ago) link
― chuck, Friday, 4 June 2004 19:59 (twenty years ago) link
refusal to bend,if we're feeling ten feet tallthen screw the midgets
― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:02 (twenty years ago) link
― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:04 (twenty years ago) link
FWIW, "the race thing" is probably the most irritating thing on the record to me. I can't really listen to Love Train (even though I love the fact that they just decided to call their song Love Train, as if it didn't matter that there already was a Love Train--it's a great little snapshot of their "Fuck it" attitude) because the lyrics are just too hard to take: "The whole color thing's never made sense to me." Really? It hasn't? That's shocking. You think we should all just get along? Can I subsribe to your newsletter? To me, this line by itself undercuts some of the other actually interesting stuff about race on the alum.
― Scott CE (Scott CE), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:07 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:10 (twenty years ago) link
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 4 June 2004 20:11 (twenty years ago) link
i was unclear, i didnt mean ppl were being disingenuous about hating big & rich, what i meant was a certain amount of the big & rich praise on ilm had a framing of "we all know country music sucks but FINALLY this is GOOD" that struck me as self soothing a little bit, giving themselves permission to continue writing off country as music for dumb racists because they like the album where the guys rap about not being racist.
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 14 December 2020 19:19 (three years ago) link
yet they turned out to be racists
― Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 December 2020 19:19 (three years ago) link
ahhh sorry OEO totally misread
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 14 December 2020 19:26 (three years ago) link
"FINALLY these are GOOD racists!"
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 14 December 2020 19:38 (three years ago) link
this place is not the friendliest toward country, a genre which mixes schmaltz, arena moves, bad jokes, and pathos in ways that confuse people (and sometimes me).
I love country music from some mega-schmaltzy eras (e.g. 1987-1997) but have completely loathed Big & Rich from day one. It's just terrible stuff and I don't get it at all.
― real muthaphuckkin jeez (crüt), Monday, 14 December 2020 19:42 (three years ago) link
I also hated Lonestar so I guess I do hate these guys specifically
― real muthaphuckkin jeez (crüt), Monday, 14 December 2020 19:43 (three years ago) link
KiNG would have to be on that ilm hive list. And chuffing Balloon.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 14 December 2020 19:46 (three years ago) link
avalanches are the classic ilm act for me. never seen them in anyone's record collection irl or heard anyone talking about them
― Babby's Yed Revisited (jim in vancouver), Monday, 14 December 2020 19:47 (three years ago) link
Oh yeah, I used to put some of their early stuff on mix tapes way before seeing anything about them on ilm. I guess they weren't all that well-known in the US, but I got compliments for the tapes.
― dow, Monday, 14 December 2020 20:00 (three years ago) link
I was actually into Since I Left You before I came around to ilx, can't remember where I heard about it, probably some magazine review.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 14 December 2020 20:03 (three years ago) link
I think Sim0n Reyn0lds reviewed it pretty ecstatically in Uncut? I could be remembering that wrong.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 14 December 2020 20:05 (three years ago) link
Yeah think I first heard them on magazine bonus comps.
― dow, Monday, 14 December 2020 20:14 (three years ago) link
Ah, that Reyn0lds review was in Spin. That is definitely where I would have seen it.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 14 December 2020 20:16 (three years ago) link
I have "Save A Horse" on my Elliptical Jams playlist, mostly unplayed since March.
― ... (Eazy), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 04:27 (three years ago) link
the first B&R record still rules--but there was a lot of great Country music in that era
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 16:06 (three years ago) link
Yeah, and that was when I started paying attention to it, beyond Willie---pop arena mainstream country was big fun, and I thought so much of it was going to keep being like that---spoiled me, waaaah
― dow, Wednesday, 16 December 2020 17:23 (three years ago) link
he paid out, it went to a military charity: https://tasteofcountry.com/john-rich-joe-biden-donald-trump-election-bet/
― Cool Im An Situation (Neanderthal), Saturday, 6 November 2021 03:59 (two years ago) link
I met with @GovBillLee and @SchwinnTeach today at the Capital building. They told me new legislation will be put on the docket in this session to deal with "literature" that our kids are being exposed to containing obscene and pornographic content. They listened. We'll see.— John Rich (@johnrich) January 11, 2022
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 15:59 (two years ago) link
sounds like a cool jerk sesh bro
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 17:54 (two years ago) link
The press release calls Cowboy Troy "the world's only six foot five inch, 250 pound black cowboy rapper, who throws down in three languages and has a degree in economics to boot."
Seems like he should be Big In Europe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tofbP46Ohd4
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 18:03 (two years ago) link
He's 6 foot 5. Probably big everywhere.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 13 January 2022 00:06 (two years ago) link
That first one’s kind of rapey. Guess who’s lyrics… pic.twitter.com/Gj7CklQ2E6— Rep. Gloria Johnson (@VoteGloriaJ) January 12, 2022
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 13 January 2022 00:09 (two years ago) link
lol. She's my state rep, one of our few local Dems. She just got redistricted out of her own district.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 13 January 2022 03:16 (two years ago) link
Doubling down, I guess.
Cepicky bill criminalizing "obscene" materials in school libraries rolled one week because of time constraints after singer John Rich compares librarians to perverts in a "white van."— Sam Stockard (@stockard_sam) February 23, 2022
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 24 February 2022 02:28 (two years ago) link
I want to know how a kid working at a fast food restaurant found the funding to purchase thousands upon thousands of dollars worth of rifles, ammunition and body armor. We need answers.— John Rich (@johnrich) May 27, 2022
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Saturday, 28 May 2022 18:49 (two years ago) link
Well clearly this is why we have to keep the minimum wage down
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Saturday, 28 May 2022 18:53 (two years ago) link
And then America tells him to step right up despite not allowing him to buy a glass of whiskey.— John Legend (@johnlegend) May 28, 2022
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Monday, 30 May 2022 00:20 (two years ago) link