― stockholm cindy's secret childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 February 2005 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Monday, 14 February 2005 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 14 February 2005 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Monday, 14 February 2005 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― stockholm cindy's fact checking childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link
possibly, but it's just more to write, innit?
― stockholm cindy's secret childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― Bimble... (Bimble...), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link
Despite common wisdom, Nieuw Amsterdam was not the first municipality in what is now New York State. In fact, Nieuw Amsterdam was not even the second.
In 1646, the Village of Breuckelen was authorized by the Dutch West India Company and became the first municipality in what is now New York State. In 1652, the Village of Fort Orange, predecessor to the City of Albany, received similar municipal privileges. It was only in 1653 that the City of Nieuw Amsterdam was granted its charter.
"At first the Dutch rulers of New Netherland did not draw a sharp line between their overall colonial or provincial government and that of their major settlement, which was called Nieuw Amsterdam. It was not until 1646 that the Dutch West India Company granted what appears to have been certain municipal privileges to the "Village of Breuckelen"--lineal ancestor of the present-day Brooklyn--located across the East River from Nieuw Amsterdam. Fort Orange, which later became the City of Albany, obtained similar municipal privileges in 1662. When in 1653 the "Merchants and Elders of the Community of Nieuw Amsterdam" won the right to establish what was called "a city government", the municipality which became New York City was born."
In 1683, almost 20 years after the English kicked out the Dutch (1664), the General Assembly of Freeholders reorganized the governmental structure in all of the province of New York into 12 counties, each of which was subdivided into towns.
Brooklyn was one of the original six towns of Kings County, an original county when the county/town system was established in 1683.
(Other local area original counties were New York, Richmond, Queens, Westchester and Suffolk. The Bronx was part of Westchester County until 1873, when the western Bronx was annexed by New York City/County, and 1895, when the eastern Bronx was annexed as well.
The eastern two-thirds of Queens County seceded and became Nassau County in 1899, making Nassau the youngest county in New York State, although the Bronx "paper" county was established in 1914 when the Bronx "seceded" from New York County.)
Following is some additional information about important dates for all the cities, towns and villages that were part of the history of what we now refer to as "Brooklyn".
― stockholm cindy's secret childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― Mark (MarkR), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link
Brooklyn/Kings County has 2 names because it took some 200 years for Brooklyn to annex the other parts of Kings County.
When the City of Brooklyn annexed the City of Williamsburgh and the Town of Bushwick, this area was then known as the eastern district of the City of Brooklyn and Williamsburgh lost its final "h". The streets in Brooklyn do not line up because each of the 2 cities and 6 towns in Kings County were independent municipalities and purposely decided to create street grids with different naming systems that did not line up with the adjoining city or town. The Town of Gravesend was the only town where the streets run long north-to-south, all other cities and towns ran their streets long west-to-east. Gravesend was the only English town, all the others were Dutch.
South Brooklyn is north of southern Brooklyn because until 1894 the Red Hook area (South Brooklyn) was the southernmost part of the City of Brooklyn.
Bay Ridge was originally called "Yellow Hook" until a yellow fever epidemic struck and the name was changed.
― stockholm cindy's secret childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link
So does this mean it's not so good they named it twice after all?
― Alba (Alba), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:21 (nineteen years ago) link
that made me so proud!
― stockholm cindy's secret childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jay-Kid (Jay-Kid), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alba (Alba), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― stockholm cindy's secret childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link
if manhattan = "new york, new york," then brooklyn is bigger than "new york, new york." so there!
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link
not populationwise.
― stockholm cindy's secret childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jay-Kid (Jay-Kid), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link
now this is something you don't want to discuss with a guy with that name.
― Jay-Kid (Jay-Kid), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link
brooklyn 2.5 millionqueens 2.2 millionmanhattan 1.5 millionbronx 1.3 millionstaten island 444,000
and the other four are all growing faster than manhattan, which means manhattan, currently in third place in its own city, is quickly headed for fourth.
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― Magic City (ano ano), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― stockholm cindy's secret childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jay-Kid (Jay-Kid), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link
Bronck was a Swedish immigrant who settled in (what's now) the Bronx in 1641. His farm was 500 acres.
The area of Throgs Neck is said to be named after a landowner named Throckmorton, and similarly bastardized (from "Throckmorton's Neck").
― stockholm cindy's secret childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jay-Kid (Jay-Kid), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― stockholm cindy's secret childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:56 (nineteen years ago) link
According to Kim Wilde, there's nothing but.
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 14 February 2005 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 14 February 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 14 February 2005 22:34 (nineteen years ago) link
Anyway, it's all about the Bernstein-Comden-Green "New York, New York," not the Kander & Ebb.
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 14 February 2005 23:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― briania (briania), Monday, 14 February 2005 23:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― stockholm cindy's secret childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 14 February 2005 23:33 (nineteen years ago) link
No.
― his face was burned off in a flaming crossbow accident (King Kobra), Monday, 14 February 2005 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 14 February 2005 23:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 14 February 2005 23:43 (nineteen years ago) link
Communist.
― his face was burned off in a flaming crossbow accident (King Kobra), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 00:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― kate/papa november (papa november), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 02:17 (nineteen years ago) link
funny, I assumed the opposite.
― Al (sitcom), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 02:34 (nineteen years ago) link
presumably "the battery" means battery park, which is the farthest downtown you can go in manhattan. the bronx begins at the uptown end -- running parallel to harlem, inwood, etc, and extending farther north up towards westchester.
― stockholm cindy's secret childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 02:40 (nineteen years ago) link
If someone offered me an all-expenses paid trip to "New York", and I found I *couldn't* go to Manhatten, I'd be pretty cheesed.
― Sasha (sgh), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 05:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 06:42 (nineteen years ago) link
manhattan's not all that great.
― stockholm cindy's secret childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 13:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― stockholm cindy's secret world with martin bashir (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 17 February 2005 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― stockholm cindy's secret world with martin bashir (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 17 February 2005 13:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― stockholm cindy's secret world with martin bashir (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 17 February 2005 13:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jay-Kid (Jay-Kid), Thursday, 17 February 2005 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link
BTW: I only recently learned that "New York, New York" implies "Manhattan" whereas "New York City" refers to all five boroughs. (New Yorkers can take issue with this, but it's in the stylebook at my job.)― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, February 14, 2005 11:11 AM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, February 14, 2005 11:11 AM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Aw, I was so much younger then.
― jaymc, Thursday, 16 April 2015 05:15 (nine years ago) link
http://www.npr.org/2015/11/25/457289950/broadway-composer-john-kander-reflects-on-a-career-of-hidden-treasures
has a big clip from the rejected theme song. clearly about manhattan.
― Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Saturday, 28 January 2017 10:00 (seven years ago) link
Re: thread 1, seems obvious to me that he's borrowing the familiar City, State formula, but giving emphasis to to it in a way that turns it, emotionally, into City, CITY!!!! I mean no way on that awesome last declaration is he thinking about NYC's situaton within the larger state economy or upstate getaway optiions or w/e.
― stein beck ii: the wrath of grapes (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 28 January 2017 17:27 (seven years ago) link