― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― mervin heinz, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Rush Limbaugh, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― mervin heinz, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link
You're just kidding around but the word cracker comes from Scotland and the obnoxious Scottish people who got that tag ("Shakespeare's King John (1595): "What cracker is this . . . that deafes our ears / With this abundance of superfluous breath?") ironically moved to the Southern US and formed both Southern white and black American culture in general.
The black card game of whist (which some of my black friends' still play!) was picked up directly from Northern Brits for one example.
To call Merritt a cracker is essentially no different from calling him a "loud nigger."
I'm just pointing out that irony always wins.
― Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:13 (eighteen years ago) link
Again. Irony. Winning, etc
― Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:20 (eighteen years ago) link
http://tiny.abstractdynamics.org/
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― adam (adam), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link
Ohhhhh-T-M !!
― Chris Bee (Cee Bee), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link
Or is it his token hip-hop selection in question? Or his token 11% of his votes by black artists? There are plenty of other cultures completely absent from his ballot as well, should we alert Amnesty International?
― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― Bidfurd (Bidfurd), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link
Don't want a cat,Scratching its claws all over myHabitatGiving no love and getting fatOh, (oh oh) you can get lonelyAnd a cat's no help with that
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Morrissey, "King Leer"-----------
Your boyfriend, hedisplays to memore than justa hint of crueltyI tried to surprise youI crept up behind youwith a homeless chihuahuayou gushed for an houryou handed him back and said"You'll never guessI'm bored now"
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thus: CHIHUAHUA = GAYISM
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:16 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.chihuahua-info.de/fotos/paris.hilton.chihuahua.jpg
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link
This debate is fucking boring. It's so lame, people aren't even talking past each other, they're just popping out these strawmen that were stale the first time someone trotted them out. Sasha and Jessica aren't arguing that people who hate rap hate black people. Whatsisname at Slate isn't arguing that musical taste exists in a vacuum.
Frankly, Magnetic Fields stuff is so escapist, so clearly untouched by urban America, that it does strike me as similar (in its cultural white flight) to all the creepy, interchangeable white suburban/rural dramas on TV that started with Dawsons Creek (the OC, Smallville, One Tree Hill, etc etc.)
On the other hand, I believe Stephin when he says he just doesn't give a shit about syncopation and rhythm and shit. Man just likes a good tune, and thank god, because now we have 69 Love Songs. And that being the case, his taste is going to skew white. It's problematic, but not inherently racist.
I dunno, I think Sasha and Jessica chose the wrong guy to pick on here, but can we recognize that linking taste in music to the rest of the culture isn't ridiculous?
― Lukas (lukas), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― -+-+-+++- (ooo), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link
Dudes, see the EMP thread for much more on this, including posts from Hopper and a big-ass thing I posted before I realized y'all were talking about it here.
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lukas (lukas), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 18:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― jeremiah q. fuckface, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 20:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pessimist, Wednesday, 10 May 2006 20:12 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.sashafrerejones.com/2006/05/idee_trix.html
― Treblekicker (treblekicker), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 20:35 (eighteen years ago) link
Ask Don Delillo to do the same for books, and it's not like that list should be the syllabus in universities nationwide - it would just be interesting as a reflection of literature that has resonated with him as an artist. In Merritt's case, it happened to be work that would be an appropriate tie-in with the records he released that year, and probably more fun for him to do than an interview. It's just an artist's list in a weekly magazine, is all. I love reading artists' best-of lists (music, books, whatever) for their idiosyncracies and championing of underappreciated work, not for their breadth.
― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 20:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― pleased to mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 20:56 (eighteen years ago) link
And just so we're careful what we wish for in asking our songbook composers to acknowledge rock and r&b influences, would anyone like to listen to Rent?
(I'm not a fan of 69 Love Songs because I can't get over the production and Merritt's voice - so hearing the same songs on a Morning Becomes Eclectic archive was quite a revelation.)
― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 21:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 21:10 (eighteen years ago) link
I can't think of a better pop song about people who've been sexually abused than "Papa Was A Rodeo".
― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link