rolling gun sounds thread

yeah, I can't stand him but I can't deny his significance

how soon we forget papoose

i should've phrased that in papoose's terms: we forgot papoose like we left something

lololol

pomplapoose

it's really kind of amazing how the entire northeast corridor has utterly failed to produce any new rapper of serious consequence since like 2004

― dayo technology (some dude), Friday, 1 April 2011 20:50 (12 minutes ago) Permalink

a lot of folks would argue max b qualifies there & he does have that populist rapper appeal

obv not much competition tho lol red cafe

i should've phrased that in papoose's terms: we forgot papoose like we left something

― J0rdan S., Friday, April 1, 2011 4:58 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

nah Pap would say something like "you forgot Papoose like if there were four of me and we had to go to the letter T"

Max definitely has a following but let's be real there aren't "a lot" of people that would single him out as the most significant northeast rapper to emerge in the past 6 years

per usual i think youre underestimating his grassroots but w/e

max certainly has a large fanbase but that's not the type of thing ship is talking about

& he's right btw

fwiw it is something that has *just* started to really build -- he was releasing stuff since '05 but that stuff wasnt resonating w/ a wider cult til the last couple years

well if it's still building and you're projecting where it will/could/should be then yeah let's leave it at that

imo that is what ship is talking about -- hes a significant rapper w/ a very novel style relative to basically any other post-05 east coast rapper.

well if it's still building and you're projecting where it will/could/should be then yeah let's leave it at that

― dayo technology (some dude), Friday, April 1, 2011 9:09 PM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

we're all 'projecting' but imo on an artistic level, the last 5 years of his music -- regardless of its following at that time -- would qualify him

i thought he was talking about new york not producing a new rapper since 50 that was at any point one of the 5 or 10 most famous rappers in america at any point

speaking purely on artistic terms, to be clear

i mean if we were having this convo in '09 before you actually got heavy into Max B and surfboard was making the argument you're making you know you wouldn't be backing him up

i def wouldnt but i wasnt really familiar w/ his catalog; imo hes got the range

i mean my 'thing' is sorta arguing that the kind of grassroots popular social energy is in someway tied to aesthetic novelty of a rapper's style or music so i agree im projecting but thats where that is coming from -- obv max hasnt been / prob still isnt one of the ten most popular rappers in america (although i do think his influence on rappers has been larger, i.e. wiz khalifa-- which to answer matt's q, i think soulja boy is channelling max via wiz)

maybe i should say that, while its weird ny hasnt produced a major national rapper in so long, i agree, but that max does stand out at another level relative to his region & there isnt really a comparable figure -- like, hes def a notch or fifteen more successful than red cafe / saigon / papoose etc

yeah i mean the "new rapper of serious consequence" terms i opened the convo with were specifically thinking of who gets deemed important across the board, from the man on the street to corny MTV power ranking things, not just who has a decent-sized cult and some dope mixtapes.

yeah i mean i don't know if there will ever be a big NYC rapper...i guess nicki is from nyc, but i dunno, a lot of stuff now seems kinda-post regional, like her, drake, nu-wayne, wiz, etc

ha i totally forgot Nicki is from NYC -- she totally is the biggest NY rapper in forever even if people barely think of her that way

yeah, forgot about nicki

& of course even she was broken by cash money

been totally percolating some kind of thinkpiece about how we're in a post-regional era of mainstream rap so it's funny i forgot about that

we're def in a post-regional era of mainstream rap in the sense that every rapper wants to pretend they're from europe

I had no idea Nicki was from NY lol

lol J0rdan

yeah i mean the "new rapper of serious consequence" terms i opened the convo with were specifically thinking of who gets deemed important across the board, from the man on the street to corny MTV power ranking things, not just who has a decent-sized cult and some dope mixtapes.

― dayo technology (some dude), Friday, April 1, 2011 9:21 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah im with this although w/ the caveat that i would argue from an artistic perspective its not just that he has dope mixtapes but represents a pretty radical shift for ny aesthetically, one that opens it up more to the rest of the country by embracing west coast / bone thugs style melodicism & a more pac-style 'street prophet' persona that works, aesthetically, and that i get the sense that his grassroots success *means something* for ny in a way that freeway having some consistent tapes in the past 5 years doesnt for philly. or another comparison would be, like, jeezy vs killer mike in atlanta; one signified a radical aesthetic shift (albeit one more influential than max's, so far) while the other just made some really dope tapes (& i prefer mike but im just saying)

yeah but i wasn't really talking about from an artistic perspective at all

right which is why i said 'im with this' -- iirc this isnt an argument were just sayin stuf

ok i like sayin stuf

i think a key sign that we are i a post-regional rap era is that 'regional' artists a la max b are incorporating the sounds & styles of other regions, & this also goes for the mob figaz in the bay. or even freddie gibbs conglomeration of random midwest/rap-a-lot mid 90s gangsta rap motifs that sound simultaneously local but as if they could have come from everywhere (nb i think this is a knock against him) or the way e-40 has transformed a strain of 'hyphy' from a 'regional sound' to e-40's personal house style (& mutated it on its own)

idk i guess most rap right now feels unconcerned about repping its city's 'sound' is what im saying?

yeah that's definitely true. i mean a huge amount of atlanta rap or bay area rap still is very much of its region but it feels less like a deliberate aesthetic branding

& if anything widespread exportation of atlanta style production makes it feel less tied down geographically

tru

yeah so much sounds like it's from the south now, that shit really took over

i think part of it is def that as the music industry & the radio has become less and less accepting to rap music as well as rap music of different styles, that you've had rappers just trying to trend hop as much as possible which really concentrates the kind of sounds that you hear -- this is very evident right now with lex luger, both in the sense that tons of rappers want his beats & that, as he relayed in that anecdote about chingy, that ppl are specifically saying "give me that 'bmf' type beat" -- so even tho you have a very successful producer, a lot of rappers are less open to letting them in particular stretch their legs & diversify their sounds in a way that, say, the neptunes were able to do

and the other side of that is now ppl like bob & wiz & nicki & to a lesser extent wale are blowing up primarily with songs not produced by ppl that even do rap music

my point about lex luger i think can be seen, tho less transparently, in the way that bangladesh kept using that same snare sound from "a milli" over & over

we're def in a post-regional era of mainstream rap in the sense that every rapper wants to pretend they're from europe

― J0rdan S., Friday, April 1, 2011 5:26 PM (1 hour ago)

lol

i think it's a biiiiig stretch to tie Lex Luger or Bangladesh feeling pressured by artists/the industry to provide their signature sound into the current climate -- shit has been that way for a LONG time and Neptunes were as guilty as anyone of rubber-stamping the same style for a year or two straight, they just stayed big long enough to have a whole lot of styles

yeah mean every producer has always had a trademark style

but i think the AL is right about the neptunes, cuz their shit was used by everyone and it always sounded like specifically a neptunes joint regardless of where the artist was from, even right from the jump with "superthug"

i think you could say rap stars as a whole were less desperate back then, that there were producers who had more than one major hit & instead had a series of them, so a rapper could trust the producer to do his thing w/out being like "I NEED THAT 'SUPERTHUG' SOUND"

also iirc the Neptunes were hot w/ superthug but it felt different ... like it wasnt until they had a series of hits that people started looking at them & connecting the dots about what they were doing

lol i called some dude "The AL" for some reason wtf

no i agree, i honestly don't know if superthug made them all that famous right away, shit i thought "neptunes got a cocker spaniel" was just some wacky off the wall kool keith nonsensical line for the longest time.

also i think clipse fits in here somewhere, and timbo and missy too, being from virginia they all had that weird south/north paradox feel

it really feels like after the early 00s timbo/neptunes/Lil Jon/ whoever else that had a series of pop hits as a producer thing happened, people started anticipating it as soon as a producer showed up w/ a distinctive twist on production & ever since then its been a nightmarish series of ruined possibilities

well yeah "Superthug" is kind of an outlier, they didn't become a brand name until they had several bigger consecutive hits (w/ something closer to their 'signature sound') about 2 years later (xpost

i might be wrong about that & there are probably some contradictions in there im just throwing it out there