lmao @ googleproofing of k*l*ans
― timbo slice (D-40), Monday, 4 April 2011 23:50 (thirteen years ago) link
craft beers in general are huge 'hipster beers' in chicago. you cant throw a rock right now w/out hitting some bearded dude in flannel who will make pronouncements abt what kinds of craft beers are worth your time & how he's making his own beer etc etc etc in this city. i think these dudes just wish they lived in portland
― timbo slice (D-40), Monday, 4 April 2011 23:51 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean PBR is still a thing but thats like, for 20 yr olds. by the time u have a job & have started working at groupon, which is singlehandedly employing chicago's hipsters and by extension keeping revolution, half acre and metropolitan brewing in business, they prefer to sip beers like a fine wine
im not immune although i cant really afford to be
― timbo slice (D-40), Monday, 4 April 2011 23:53 (thirteen years ago) link
isn't liking nice ales just like...a pretty normal thing to do for any middle class person or upwards?
it's not just hipster, is kinda like liking football or something surely?
― Packie Bonner (Local Garda), Monday, 4 April 2011 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link
^^never been to the u.s.
― timbo slice (D-40), Monday, 4 April 2011 23:56 (thirteen years ago) link
the states had no craft beer culture until up into the 80s & even then it was pretty heavily niche-ified. it wasnt til the past 5-10 years that this shit really started growing
i think it had something to do w/ prohibition, like in the 20s all the craft brewers went out of business & only the huge co's could afford to keep going by putting barley production towards ... i dont know what, i feel like i heard some drunk beardo tell me this at a party so its kinda spotty
― timbo slice (D-40), Monday, 4 April 2011 23:57 (thirteen years ago) link
nah not everyone is into microbrewery or whatever here but it doesn't feel exclusively hipster either. don't old men in the us like microbrewed ales?
x-post ah i see...that kinda answers my question.
ireland is quite weird like this, literally zero craft beer culture, i only started drinking ale when i moved to london. my irish friends hate it.
― Packie Bonner (Local Garda), Monday, 4 April 2011 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link
i think its funny max was the one who brought up rolling rock, my parents arent big beer drinkers but on the occasion my mom wants one with her burger or whatever in the summer she buys rolling rock, so i associate that beer w/ all parental ephemera from my childhood, like 'graceland' & fleetwood mac
― timbo slice (D-40), Monday, 4 April 2011 23:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Craft beer (and during summer craft cider) is huge over here and it's definitely an inner-urban middle-class thing, but if it codes "hipster" it does so in a way very different to the Weeknd.
Most people into craft beer here would be going to see local live music, if they're into hipster R&B it'd be Sharon Jones but not the Weeknd. They'd be all about "adult lovemaking" but against the specific sonic trappings.
Whereas the audience for the Weeknd wouldn't invest their hipster energy into the alcohol they drink - probably will drink Coopers Pale, which is a fairly "safe" cheap but respectable beer. More likely to be into pills and dope and spend their discretionary income on that.
Maybe Australia is different in this regard but mostly when I read about overseas hipster trends I recognise them around me as well so i doubt it.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Maybe how deej describes holds true outside the NW, but here microbrews are really a common thing to drink, more centered out yuppies than anything. I've had people who were totally square talk shit about me drinking PBR or High Life and it's just like... I'll drink Mac & Jack or some other micro when I have a few extra bucks, but fuck you, I'm poor.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:10 (thirteen years ago) link
what's craft beer? microbrews? the guys that make their own stuff on the weekends?
― Metal Jennifer Saunders (some dude), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:10 (thirteen years ago) link
more centered on*
i think what tim describes might be more true where Al is, but yeah in chicago right now i think there's a huge overlap between pabst drinking weeknd listeners & craft-drinking sharon jones listeners -- craft beer is all anybody seems to talk abt any more. part of it is we have all these extremely successful breweries right now that opened up in the last couple years
― timbo slice (D-40), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, I think that stage happened around here like 20 years ago and now it's just taken for granted as part of the landscape.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Wait, is this discussion really going on on two threads at once? Dear god.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:21 (thirteen years ago) link
some hipsters drink whatevers cheap and available, which is often pbr (i think of these as the young music/art types?)some hipsters drink craft beers/microbrews (i think of these as like indie/npr types?)some hipsters drink prohibition-era cocktails with specially-crafted ice cubes (hipster yuppies? rich party-going fashion types?)
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link
one thing i dont see many hipsters drink is wine
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link
coors co. supports extreme right wing politics & i remember flyers the black student org put out on my campus about how u shouldnt buy coors, k*l*ans, blue moon, etc because the guy who runs the company throws millions of dollars at destroying affirmative action
― timbo slice (D-40), Monday, April 4, 2011 7:49 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i did this on the truth bombs thread but every big beer co. supports right wing politics as does almost every big company in general; consign yrself to drinking shitty microbrews i guess. also when pete coors ran for senate he supported civil unions which by itself put him a few levels below straight-up hatemonger.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:25 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost possibly because being a wine connoisseur takes a shitload more time/money/attention-to-detail.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link
confused about how not buying the big beer brands consigns me to 'shitty microbrews'
― timbo slice (D-40), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Wine makes me sick and I don't even kinda like the taste of it.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:28 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah wtf xp
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:29 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah im just sort of surprised, there are a lot of nyc hipsters with tons of money and an affection for "artisan"/"handmade"/"terroir" type-stuff that wine basically invented, youd think theyd be all over it. though here in new york it may just be that you cant make wine out of long island grapes in an old bushwick warehouse?
xxp
― ban drake (the rapper) (max), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:29 (thirteen years ago) link
it seems to me that the recent explosion in craft brew stuff sorta took that space anyway
― timbo slice (D-40), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link
which maybe that was your point
My taste in alcohol is pretty butch tbh. If I had my way, I'd drink nothing but ale and scotch.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link
wine is a man's drink rev dont get it twisted
unless yr drinking like spritzers or bubbly or w/e
― timbo slice (D-40), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:31 (thirteen years ago) link
Haha, actually now that I think of it, bubbly is pretty much the only wine I can handle.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:32 (thirteen years ago) link
feel like wine education is still pretty inaccessible.
also wine comes in inconvenient formats and is hard to drink in hectic bars and stuff.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:33 (thirteen years ago) link
sry i called microbrews "shitty" that was disingenuous of me.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:34 (thirteen years ago) link
think the lack of wine is cos like.....does anyone get loaded up on wine when going out doing drugs or whatev? like you might drink wine at 7am on an all nighter for want of something else, or at dinner beforehand, but if it's long sessions then always gonna be beer or spirits, at least that's how it appeared IN MY DAY
― Packie Bonner (Local Garda), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:37 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes. Even in gay-hipster world - which for obv reasons should be even more intensely uniform - you get guys in wifebeaters + flannel shirts with fop-tops and five day growth hanging out with shiny-point-shoes bryl-creamed little princes hanging out with tanned tennis-ready preppy types and these are all clearly within the venn diagram "gay hipster" but on any other sensible reading ought to have nothing to do with one another.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:49 (36 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah it's like, how can you possibly generalise tracks that simultaneously feature grime whine, baltimore breaks, egregious r&b samples, chillwave synths and cowbell. there must be all manner of fascinating nuances at play.
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:44 (thirteen years ago) link
LOL yes but I'm not saying there isn't some kind of underlying sensibility where all these things co-exist, or that the differences make any one of these aesthetic choices (let alone all of them) desirable. I just think the "they all sound the same" line is wrong.
But you know "it all sounds the same" is the one criticism I would not make of avant-frankenstep. The opposite is maybe the bigger problem.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 00:53 (thirteen years ago) link
think the lack of wine is cos like.....does anyone get loaded up on wine when going out doing drugs or whatev?
yes
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 07:11 (thirteen years ago) link
10m xposts - i've always equated PBR here with Red Stripe in UK, mainly because that's everyone drank at gigs when I was a student.
― Not the real Village People, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 07:19 (thirteen years ago) link
There's a subset of professional/hipster cross types (e.g. lawyers I know who are into post-dubstep) who drink connoisseur wine but you need to have $$$. Actually these people would be well into the weeknd.
There's also a subset of students who drink goon (cheap wine from a box) but although these people aren't necessarily poor they're usually not hipsters.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 08:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I made the mistake of fucking around with box wine saturday night. :(
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 09:02 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost possibly because being a wine connoisseur takes a shitload more time/money/attention-to-detail.― Tim F, Tuesday, April 5, 2011 1:27 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark
― Tim F, Tuesday, April 5, 2011 1:27 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark
idk up to a point... it takes more attention to detail because unlike 'appreciating craft beers' wine connoisseurship is an actual thing
― history mayne, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 09:11 (thirteen years ago) link
er...think craft beers is a thing...have you ever been to a craft beer shop? pretty sure there is a lot of knowledge there, the people that work in them are mega serious about it.
― Packie Bonner (Local Garda), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 09:20 (thirteen years ago) link
i know they are
― history mayne, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 09:23 (thirteen years ago) link
re: pbr
4) as an added bonus it's a brand with a strong tradition that can be "reclaimed"
This is definitely a big part of it in my opinion, its not any good but it has a tradition - feel like there's more regional ones also - Iron City?
― colby, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 09:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Rainier fits that niche around here, but Rainier is ghastly.
― banjee trillness (The Reverend), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 09:35 (thirteen years ago) link
and yuengling, as mentioned upthread
rheingold tried to make a hipster comeback along these lines (somebody bought the brand, which had become defunct) but i don't think it really took
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 09:45 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes but Yuengling is way more drinkable than pbr or iron city!
― colby, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 09:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Sorry to derail, but I'm increasingly under the impression more people would give this act the time of day if it wasn't called The Weeknd.
― Evil Eau (dog latin), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 11:18 (thirteen years ago) link
My half-hearted reservations stem from two things:
1. There are already three bands called Weekend or The Weekend in my record collection2. The swearing
PBR is not available to hipsters in Toronto. Traditionally, they drink Labatt 50, though IPAs are coming back into style.
― Odult Ariented Rock (Ówen P.), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 11:56 (thirteen years ago) link
agreed
― 40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 12:14 (thirteen years ago) link
http://parallax-view.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/weekend.jpg
― dayo, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 12:29 (thirteen years ago) link
It breaks my heart that there are a load of people with valuable perspectives on alcohol that are avoiding this thread because they think it's just a load of critics shouting at one another.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 12:40 (thirteen years ago) link