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that little rant is from a forthcoming blogpost btw

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:14 (twenty years ago) link

Tim, are there any mixes or streaming shows that showcase this less abrasive sound?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:17 (twenty years ago) link

Some of the recent Femme Fatale/Mack 10/Kano set has that sound, and as I said above, it finishes with "So Sure", which i still love (is it out yet?).

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:22 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah Femme Fatale absolutely loves Target, she played "Pick Yourself Up" and "Chosen One" heaps and "Gemini" and "Earthwarrior (Remix)" a fair bit. But it's mixed in with other grime, 4/4, old skool etc. etc. I'm aware of no online show or mix that focuses on it exclusively, although I imagine a Target mix-cd would fill that gap admirably. It's pretty much his schtick.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:28 (twenty years ago) link

Has "Chosen One" had a proper release? It's got a fair bit of crossover potential, IMO.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:30 (twenty years ago) link

Ooooooh, listening to the current 1Xtra: Pirate Session with Cameo and just heard "So Sure"! It's spine-tingling!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:32 (twenty years ago) link

listening to the wiley album sampler/single/whatever it is (problems/what do you call it?/mins) for the first time. problems is great, i don't recognise it, light and summery. mins is an instrumental, i'm pretty sure i recognise it, but i'm too tired to place it now.

more about this tomorrow no doubt.

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:56 (twenty years ago) link

problems is so much better than what do you call it? that it just isn't true.

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:59 (twenty years ago) link

I still kind of "What Do You Call It?".

Is there a release date for "Skating On Thin Ice" yet?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 7 February 2004 00:02 (twenty years ago) link

kind of like

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 7 February 2004 00:02 (twenty years ago) link

Has anyone heard the J Da Flex session with NASTY, Ruff Sqwad, and Boyz N Da Hood? I'd check it, but I'm at work.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 7 February 2004 16:32 (twenty years ago) link

By the looks of things, thee's not a lot of new stuff on there, but there's a Terra Danjah track called "Love Is Here To Stay".

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 7 February 2004 16:33 (twenty years ago) link

for the first time ever my flatmate likes a grime tune!! "problems", in fact, because "it's not angry".

the background tune in problems is v similar to my favourite dub that used to get played on the last few roll deep shows on rinse.

― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 7 February 2004 18:15 (twenty years ago) link

LOTD 2 arrived today - I am now watching "A Day With Wiley" and totally, totally losing it.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 8 February 2004 01:11 (twenty years ago) link

Fast shipping to Cali from West London, I should say. Nice one!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 8 February 2004 01:12 (twenty years ago) link

that's excellent! now we can talk about it and make everyone jealous enough to go out and buy a copy! (if you didn't like it just pretend you did, to make me happy!)

my favourite bits
1)wiley and jammer go to the urban music conference. wiley saus to camera
'now, let's find some yoots and make them clash'
they find the yoots and make them clash. they're really good as it goes. i like the one with the big afro and the one in the blue tracksuit and cap who's veins pop out.
2)crazy titch being crazy.
3)wily in the studio with his hats and his trainer collection.
4)ruff squad doing flying kicks and showing off 'the whips'

― luke'''', Sunday, 8 February 2004 11:19 (twenty years ago) link

this sounds amazing. how do i get a copy of the dvd?

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 8 February 2004 13:02 (twenty years ago) link

sounds like you should get it from whereever @dam@l got his. if they can get it to the far side of america that quickly they should be able to get it to glasgow before the sun sets. i payed £15.99 for mine but i walked to the shop and bought it.

other highlights-
skepta and jammer both totally wrecked, jammer on the high-grade, skepta on champagne.
the comedy DTI video.
shifty's hi-top
davinche's afro
doogz' addidas ensemble.

everyone is VERY camera shy and i have to warn you the prodcution values aren't that high, ahem, ok sometimes the interviewees get drowned out by the sound of traffic, ha! but, what do you expect, look what it says on the box
IN DA STREETS FOOTAGE

here's all the people on the DVD
crazy titch, d.e.e, doneao and crew, doogz, east co, essentials, j.me, skepta, more fire, ruff squad (and extended devons road crew) wiley, NAA, and a cameo from davinches afro.

― luke'''', Sunday, 8 February 2004 14:20 (twenty years ago) link

Cozen I got mine from independance-records.co.uk, it was £15.99 plus not much postage and very quick.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Sunday, 8 February 2004 14:28 (twenty years ago) link

i have to admit it's very weird to see captain rasclaat staring out me 4' X 4' from posters in local stores here in bumfuck...he's just a poor boy a long way from home...

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 8 February 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

Actually Cozen aren't you coming down to London soonish (or did I miss you?)

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Sunday, 8 February 2004 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

I got mine from Cage Records. Cost the same as Tom's.

Wiley's hats crack me up. Also D Double on his bike, JME, Jammer, and Skepta drinking champagne in the studio for Skepta's birthday. I'm still getting through it all, but it's gold and it makes me homesick for some reason. :( Haven't heard so many London accents for a while...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 8 February 2004 16:28 (twenty years ago) link

The best thing is that the whole aesthetic is brilliantly, yeah, not expensive, but there is a warning on the back of the box that says BEWARE OF CHEAP IMITATIONS

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 8 February 2004 16:30 (twenty years ago) link

ca you get this from that shop in bethnal green? (I'd like to visit that one of these days).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 8 February 2004 18:01 (twenty years ago) link

Wow, "Problems" is a straight-up pop tune! For some reason, my iTunes has decided that Wiley's genre is "Gay".

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 8 February 2004 18:11 (twenty years ago) link

that's where i got mine from. it's the bow end of Roman though, not the bethnal end, mile end is closer, tube station wise if you know your way around.

― luke'''', Sunday, 8 February 2004 18:14 (twenty years ago) link

thanks.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 8 February 2004 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

wow "problems" is pretty great...so emo! and the little melody running in the background reminds me of something 80s i can't quite place. "what u call it": not so good.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 8 February 2004 18:38 (twenty years ago) link

(thanks luke & tico tico, i'm on it.)

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 8 February 2004 18:57 (twenty years ago) link

oh and yeah i'm in london april 1st - i'll probably pick it up then if the excitement doesn't get the better of me.

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 8 February 2004 19:00 (twenty years ago) link

i guess i should get this really, i have too many films to watch at the moment though (it'd be like regle de jeu vs wiley fite!! etc etc.)

i'd love to place problems, as soon as i get 10mins i'll do an mp3 of the dub i'm talking about from the rinse shows last year.

― toby (tsg20), Sunday, 8 February 2004 20:24 (twenty years ago) link

the little melody running in the background reminds me of something 80s i can't quite place

yes! wtf is it??

I might be able to put some stuff off of the DVD online...

Toby, La Regle Du Jeu is f***'in murky, believe.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 8 February 2004 21:02 (twenty years ago) link

Grrr there are heaps of Target tunes in the new Femme Fatale mix (04/02) but for some reasons it's still playing the 14/01 set for me!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:37 (twenty years ago) link

me too.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 February 2004 01:28 (twenty years ago) link

wiley beats regle de jeu! (haha is tht godard? um, or melville? no... no? no, tht's le cercle rouge, 'it's all french' innit.)

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 9 February 2004 03:01 (twenty years ago) link

yeah i still get 14/01, too :-(

― toby (tsg20), Monday, 9 February 2004 08:23 (twenty years ago) link

re: the LOTD DVD - they should have given me a call, I've got all the gear and everything...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:52 (twenty years ago) link

so is 'what do u call it' really wiley's first single? not feeling it at all.

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

Am I the only person who quite likes it?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 February 2004 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

No.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 9 February 2004 18:04 (twenty years ago) link

it's like ok, but considering how much i loved it as an instrumental... it's disappointing.

― toby (tsg20), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:19 (twenty years ago) link

i'm offically disappointed. i would have been more disappointed had i not expected to be disappointed. igloo is so amazingly good that you can only conclude that wiley's vocal sucks all the life out of it. which is a sad conclusion to have to come to.

i hereby confess to never having heard problems.

i have heard a doogz tune about the desirability of going back to school though.

― ''''''''', Monday, 9 February 2004 23:34 (twenty years ago) link

okay i like "what do u call it" 2000% more after playing it loud in the car today

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

did he reproduce "igloo" for it? the whub-whub-whub in the lowend sounds kinda gentrified

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:01 (twenty years ago) link

>even guys like martin clark who don't like the MC stuff like target

HEY!!! i NEVER said i don't like MCs, i'm just fussy because there are so many shit ones out there. standards are no bad thing.

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:29 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, it does sound a bit gentrified doesn't it, meddling cuntbags

― '''''', Tuesday, 10 February 2004 01:21 (twenty years ago) link

perfect for dinner parties and gallery openings now

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 01:22 (twenty years ago) link

and anyway martin you should be proud, i jst mentioned your wiley cover story on my blog, what more recognition could a man want?

― ''''''', Tuesday, 10 February 2004 01:24 (twenty years ago) link

oh i'm honoured ;)

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 10:53 (twenty years ago) link

wiley beats regle de jeu! (haha is tht godard? um, or melville? no... no? no, tht's le cercle rouge, 'it's all french' innit.)

Jean Renoir! 1939! Not so grimey on the beautiful superblazo BFI DVD you need this fucker in your lives. It fucking roxx. Renoir: pioneer of street level realism: obviously ardkore.

― Engrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 10:59 (twenty years ago) link

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