should i give the grateful dead a chance?

$10 for concert, parking AND camping :D

we should bring weed from here tho, weed back then pretty much sucked huh

seward to thread in re: modern weed being too much to really enjoy life w/

the dude who owns the bbq joint in my town actually went to this festival. he has a story about showing up with a vanload of friends and then literally never seeing his friends again the whole weekend. 600,000 people!

he was also like, "yeah there was music ... couldn't really hear any of it, though."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgYp9RM2xp8

get to Watkins Glen a day early for soundcheck to catch one of the all-time killer live Dead jams

600,000?

um...I need to rethink this

we should bring weed from here tho,

the dude who owns the bbq joint in my town actually went to this festival. he has a story about showing up with a vanload of friends and then literally never seeing his friends again the whole weekend. 600,000 people!

maybe you guys should bring mobile phones from here too, then?

mobile phones get totally confusing while high ime

ok so it seems to be consensus, i should download Europe 72 first if i've never really heard non-studio dead?

i have anthem of the sun, that is pretty ok

Then we'll have to bring the towers too. This is getting complicated.

Bring walkie-talkies, ppl!

i have a vw bus ILX can get a ride to watkin's glen from me :)

but you know, ass, gas, or cash, nobody rides for free

Though, what with the mushrooms you'll get, you guys'll be communicating telepathically anyhow.

this one m@tt http://so-many-roads-boots.blogspot.com/2010/08/grateful-dead-1972-08-27-veneta-or-sbd.html

Then we'll have to bring the towers too. This is getting complicated.

Time travel project scuppered by inability to get phone mast into Tardis.

sweet

walkie talkies the way to go
arrive early for soundcheck
should we bring good beers from the future or drink whatever's going?

I haven't heard Europe 72, I should check that out. Love Live/Dead and the 3CD version of the Fillmore West 1969 shows.

thanks tyler

Excerpt from "AQUARIUS RISING" by Robert Santelli

Part 1

The largest crowd that ever gathered for a rock festival did so at Watkins Glen, New York, in July of 1973. Outdrawing the previous high at Woodstock almost two to one, more than 600,000 young people sardined themselves into the Watkins Glen Grand Prix Raceway for a single-day festival known as the Summer Jam. Featured groups were the Grateful Dead, the Allman Brothers, and the Band. Time travelers arrived early for the killer soundcheck with excellent weed, walkie talkies and hella good microbrews.

So that's what the Doctor Who in America episodes are about.

lol tyler :)

i. someone explain "seastones" to me
Here is an explanation via Mutant Sounds, of all places
http://mutant-sounds.blogspot.com/2007/04/phil-lesh-ned-lagin-seastoneslpcd197519.html

Seastones sounds greaat!

it is. the Dead vault on archive.org has Seastones sets for some of those shows 1974-75 iirc

RE: Veneta, I wasn't aware you could post a 36 minute video on youtube, but here ya go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJIS97uuSWY

listening to the dead set tyler told me to get.

p good so far

funny, after all the fighting, the first thing that's struck me is how much "sugaree" sounds like The Band

totally, matt! I brought up the Band yesterday b/c it was the hook my friend used to get me into the Dead (via Europe 72)

Reading some of Scott's fantasies upthread is totally making me wish Richard Manuel had a shot at "Candyman".

I'm thinking about making the friend who showed me The Last Waltz sit through at least the first disc of Europe 72

i would not introduce someone to the band through the last waltz fwiw

The footage of the Dead from Festival Express is incredible imo.
Great footage of The Band, too, actually.

Reading some of Scott's fantasies upthread is totally making me wish Richard Manuel had a shot at "Candyman".

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I wuz robbed!

should i give the grateful dead a chance?

black throated wind is good

hahahaha the OP benton was an old school sockpuppet, maybe one of the first.

yours?

My bad, WmC.

no, jack cole iirc. he had a few... Erin Caruthers?

this long jam on "china cat sunflower" is dope, i might "get" the dead

you're well on the way. Black Throated Wind is def one of my top five Weir jams.

does china cat sunflower morph into i know you rider?

yes it does!

Does it ever not?

i don't know!

i figured as much!

Listening to and enjoying Europe '72 right now, but honing in on what I generally don't like about the Dead. They just don't hold still! Like, they threaten to hit a groove, but then solo over everything. I realize that may be a selling point to some. At least they're more interesting soloists than the schmuck in Phish.

TBH. blown away that anyway would not like the Band. The Band is soul music. The music is great, but it's really all about the vocals.

what was that line upthread about 68-72 Dead refusing to play a bassline lol?

xpost

there are earlyish ('68) Dead shows where China and Rider aren't joined - Dick's Picks #22 features a smokin' morph of Dark Star>China Cat Sunflower>The Eleven, for example

europe 72 is so gd partly because it was the one live set that the Dead ever overdubbed/sweetened with studio vocals etc

so saddened to see scott and others not really digging the band. along w gene clark and gram parsons, richard manuel makes up my 'holy trinity' of heartbreakingly beautiful country rock singer guys (and yeah, the thought of manuel covering 'brokedown palace' or one of hunter/garcia's other ballads is p tantalizing).

been listening to Harpur College 1970 today for the first time ever & it's a good show though I think I'm gonna have to listen several times to really get what's so over the top great about it, compared to 1972 shows, say (though the acoustic set at the start's pretty unique I think? at least circa that era).

BUT: holy shit @ the closing "We Bid You Goodnight", that is some soulful collapse at the end...I love it when the Dead get exhausted b/c they mine it so well, & this is something that can really only come out in the live shows I think.

nah, lots of the 1970 shows started w an acoustic set (some 69 shows, too, I think) - the weird thing abt the official Harpur College release is that its in mono - some of the electric set is v v full-on psychedelic Dead (Dancing in the Streets, Other One)