Chaki I will try to re-up when I get home
― Stormy Davis, Thursday, 6 December 2007 20:57 (sixteen years ago) link
man if liking the dead is wrong i dont wanna be right
totally. i don't even try to convince the folks who don't like 'em. As Jerry said: the Dead are like black liquorice -- some love it, some hate it.
― QuantumNoise, Thursday, 6 December 2007 22:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Sara Sara Sara - have you heard a version of "The Eleven" from 1969? Huge amounts of energy there.
― Mark Rich@rdson, Saturday, 8 December 2007 18:58 (sixteen years ago) link
It's funny, Kreutzmann always looked SO DAMN BORED, but I love his drumming during the '72-'74 period w/ Hart gone. He and Godchaux had way more room to work with, and I think that's what makes those years the best. The '80s/'90s rhythm section w/ Kreutzmann & Hart could def. sound sluggish and plodding at times though. The flipside is that they sounded STRONG, too, but they never sounded as lively as they did in the '60s/early '70s.
I wish the SBDs were still up at archive.org.
― Jamesy, Sunday, 9 December 2007 02:04 (sixteen years ago) link
I got the Cornell '77, the version a buddy downloaded for me sounds like it was recorded last night. A+ performance and songlist, the Scarlet/Fire is amazing.
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 16:53 (sixteen years ago) link
My feeling on the Dead is that Jerry Garcia was extremely talented and it's too bad his band sucked.
― dally, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 17:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Thanks for sharing that. Much appreciated.
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 17:13 (sixteen years ago) link
My feeling on the Dead is that Jerry Garcia was extremely talented and it's too bad his band sucked.-- dally
-- dally
― Mark Rich@rdson, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 17:18 (sixteen years ago) link
:D
― will, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 17:19 (sixteen years ago) link
"Leave 'the bombs' to Phil"
― will, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 17:20 (sixteen years ago) link
I had something similar when I tried to get a friend into the Velvet Underground.
"yeah, Lou Reed is OK, but the rest are pretentious wankers"
― Mark G, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 17:20 (sixteen years ago) link
Well the opposite is true in the case of the VU.
― dally, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 17:36 (sixteen years ago) link
Re: Phil...personally, I just really do not like his style of playing 'around' the song rather than giving it a good foundation--he noodles around in a very self-indulgent manner, as if he's just listening to himself rather than the song. He thinks he's playing a counterpart, but it's really just out of tune. Check out all the bum notes in the otherwise beautiful studio version of Brokedown Palace for a classic example of a song ruined by Phil. And let's not even talk about the vocals. Bob Weir is an awful, awful singer. And Phil, somehow, managers to be even worse on that score. Garcia's voice had character. And also: how does a band have two drummers and yet to driving backbeat?
Which is why I'd rather listen to the JGB any time over the Dead. No Weir, no Lesh.
― dally, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 17:48 (sixteen years ago) link
to=no driving backbeat
― dally, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 17:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Please don't get me wrong: I really love slow Garcia/Hunter ballads: Wharf Rat, Row Jimmy, even the later Standing on the Moon is beautiful. But those Weir/Barlow bits just do not do it for me.
― dally, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 17:54 (sixteen years ago) link
No arguments about Weir or Lesh on the mic.
― Mark Rich@rdson, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 19:06 (sixteen years ago) link
Lesh didn't sing all that much, I enjoyed the few songs he wrote (esp. Box of Rain, the Eleven). I enjoy his bass playing, and it's really nice on this Cornell thing I cited to restart the thread. I like Weir's voice, but I'm definitely a Jerry guy.
I really can't stand the Velvet Underground.
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 19:40 (sixteen years ago) link
i agree with bill about everything
― chaki, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 19:42 (sixteen years ago) link
I've never heard those words spoken in my life.
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 19:45 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm too lazy to read the whole thread, but I have a bunch of friends who dig the dead for very few reasons. This being one of them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVqArOogY-c
Even if you hate them, you have to admit, Hugh Heffner + Jerry = WTF???!
― Andi Mags, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 20:20 (sixteen years ago) link
That's great stuff
― Bill Magill, Tuesday, 18 December 2007 20:29 (sixteen years ago) link
Re: Phil...personally, I just really do not like his style of playing 'around' the song rather than giving it a good foundation--he noodles around in a very self-indulgent manner, as if he's just listening to himself rather than the song.
FWIW, you can hear him playing "inside" the song from '66 - '72. He didn't pick up the bass until he started w/ GD (came from a trumpet / comp / etc. background). There's a great interview out there where Lesh talks about taking 6-8 years to learn how to play "inside" the song, just to learn how to play "outside" the song. It's funny that you hear it as "self-indulgent" and "listening to himself" -- you have to listen very, VERY closely to play around the rest of the band like that. One reason I love '73/'74 stuff so much is that Godchaux and Lesh do a ton of "outside" playing, which is what gives the music that meandering quality that I love. If you're listening for patterns/grooves, you probably won't be a fan. I always thought that was one of the big draws to '77-'79 GD-- Lesh stays "inside" the songs/jams pretty regularly.
Plus, the more closely you listen, the more you hear each player reacting to another's part.
What's a better description of "inside" and "outside"? Does "inside" have something to do w/ bass players sticking to the root + fifths? Never learneded this.
― Jamesy, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 00:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Another fact that sometimes goes unnoticed is that a majority of the fans are super-familiar w/ the backbone of each song. They come to hear how the band plays off that backbone, and the band lost interest in straight-forward R&B jamming after '70 for the most part.
― Jamesy, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 00:12 (sixteen years ago) link
A couple of nice posts there, Jamesey..
― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 19 December 2007 14:49 (sixteen years ago) link
it's still shit. i'm a dead hater, so sue me.
― Eisbaer, Monday, 18 February 2008 00:06 (sixteen years ago) link
Does Dead-hating include the New Riders? Surely you can't dislike the New Riders s/t.
― gnarly sceptre, Monday, 18 February 2008 10:53 (sixteen years ago) link
Dead-hating does not include The New Riders Of The Purple Sage, no.
― chaki, Monday, 18 February 2008 11:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Then there shall be a peace.
― gnarly sceptre, Monday, 18 February 2008 11:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Top 5 songs sung primarily be Bob:
1) "Looks Like Rain" 2) "Jack Straw" 3) "Weather Report Suite" 4) "Estimated Prophet" 5) "Cassidy"
― Mark Rich@rdson, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 02:43 (sixteen years ago) link
"Re: Phil...personally, I just really do not like his style of playing 'around' the song rather than giving it a good foundation--he noodles around in a very self-indulgent manner, as if he's just listening to himself rather than the song."
I think the thing with Lesh's bass lines is to listen how they interact with Garcia's lead guitar. The Dead was a band with some heavy harmony, as you also have a rhythm guitarist and always one keyboard player, so I don't think there was a great need for him to hang in the back on bass and hold down the root. I think Lesh's lines seem to be weaving in with Garcia and I think they did quite a bit of interplay between them. How the bass worked was one of the more unique things in the bands sound.
If you would have put Duck Dunn in the Dead, it would have worked, grooved and probably sounded good, but then again it wouldn't quite sound like 'the dead'. I think Lesh's style is as unique as say how Peter Hook's playing is in New Order, it isn't really how most bass players play but that is one of the reasons the band sounds a bit different.
― earlnash, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:13 (sixteen years ago) link
otm, xp
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:18 (sixteen years ago) link
grateful dead 4 real
― mkcaine, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:24 (sixteen years ago) link
mb/n
undersampled
― mkcaine, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:25 (sixteen years ago) link
richest textures in th 70s
i heard anyways. maybe like 1/50 pink floyd tracks
― mkcaine, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:26 (sixteen years ago) link
uh yeah hold down tha root
― mkcaine, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:28 (sixteen years ago) link
what were the intervals of jerzy garcia would YOU PREFER
― mkcaine, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:29 (sixteen years ago) link
were all the lyrics about. what are some good lyrics of theirs if any aren't i don't think
― mkcaine, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:31 (sixteen years ago) link
ban mkcaine.
― ian, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:32 (sixteen years ago) link
otm
― gabbneb, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:35 (sixteen years ago) link
mkciane takin the heat off
― burt_stanton, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:37 (sixteen years ago) link
ban sturdy banton.
― ian, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:39 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean what are some good gd songs
― mkcaine, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 04:26 (sixteen years ago) link
sorry
― mkcaine, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 04:27 (sixteen years ago) link
were they emo or something
what's wrong
― mkcaine, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 04:28 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.webwhispers.org/newspics/apr06/loopy.jpg
― bug, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 04:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Another great Resonant Frequency from Mark Richardson, this one on the Dead. Any Deadheads have any critiques?
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 3 August 2008 01:32 (fifteen years ago) link
nope! i don't know if his choices, especially in the second list (which i think emphasizes jams more than 'psych', whatever people like to think that is), are precisely-tailored to his audience, but i don't care, either.
― gabbneb, Sunday, 3 August 2008 01:50 (fifteen years ago) link