yeah i was listening to Sketches recently and there is some great stuff on there
― lilsoulbrotherlovesdubplatestyle (some dude), Sunday, 8 May 2011 00:42 (thirteen years ago) link
Have fond memories of seeing him in 95 at a RRR FM rooftop gig in the rain...no-one thought he would play but they threw a tarp over the stage and he played and joked it was one of the best nights of my life. (Added bonus: we met Mick Grondahl afterwards going down the stairs, very sweet & friendly)
I can't defend him to anyone who hates him without morphing into stupid-fangirl mode, but I've always held his music pretty close...funny, but I can't fight to the death over his music the way I will happily do with other music I love. I think I just found the music v intense, and he was around for such a short time that it really left a mark. I don't ever put him up for discussion because I guess I can't handle talking about him still. Sounds dumb, I know.
― VegemiteGrrl, Sunday, 8 May 2011 02:20 (thirteen years ago) link
his music's by no means infallible or beyond criticism but the reasons people dismiss or hate on him are generally total superficial bullshit
― lilsoulbrotherlovesdubplatestyle (some dude), Sunday, 8 May 2011 02:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Rockist creedo #813 -- If a bunch of people are jamming out to Nirvana before i've even heard of them, they must suck to infinity. If even the most mediocre of bands is on my radar before anybody else, then I shall be their champion.
I had a bunch of Tim years before Jeff was around. And while I still believe that Tim has 100x the chops, I cannot deny my affinity for his son. For the last decade I've mostly appreciated the more striped-down acoustic pieces (the extended Sin-e is delightful, saving of course for the caustic "Kick Out The Jams"). I was glad he got his props, however, I really dislike all the fanboy neuroticisms extolled A.D. It was like when Cobain blew his brains out, I mean, no big surprise there and no great loss - as something new is always coming down the highway (or, better yet, something old that you've never heard before). Holding anything up as being so untouchably precious is the enemy of truly new ideas in music.
― suspecterrain, Sunday, 8 May 2011 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link
i am here now fyi
also drunk, which is appropriate
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 8 May 2011 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link
lol...i have a mid-evening hangover myself :/
― BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Sunday, 8 May 2011 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link
what some dude said
― normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Sunday, 8 May 2011 03:36 (thirteen years ago) link
And while I still believe that Tim has 100x the chops, I cannot deny my affinity for his son.
^ yup
just put on "forget her," straight fire imo
― ilxor, I know you sometimes feel like ilx revolves around you (ilxor), Sunday, 8 May 2011 03:51 (thirteen years ago) link
It was like when Cobain blew his brains out, I mean, no big surprise there and no great loss - as something new is always coming down the highway (or, better yet, something old that you've never heard before). Holding anything up as being so untouchably precious is the enemy of truly new ideas in music.
i don't think 'no big surprise' applies to buckley, i mean the guy drowned in a freak accident after spontaneously deciding to go for a swim.
my attitude towards him is pretty much, hey, if his popularity gets more ppl to listen to his dad, cool.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 8 May 2011 08:17 (thirteen years ago) link
― lilsoulbrotherlovesdubplatestyle (some dude), Sunday, 8 May 2011 03:32 (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
otm.
― As predicted, nobody is reading my post. (stevie), Sunday, 8 May 2011 09:06 (thirteen years ago) link
before his death (when he'd sold virtually zero records btw) people criticised him for being self-indulgent and ott. now he's dead and he's sold lots of records to uncool people, people criticise him for being anodyne and dull. figure that one out.
i think he's rad tbh, and punch myself in the balls every day for not going to see him play london in 93. i couldn't get anyone to go with me and i should have just gone on my own.
― As predicted, nobody is reading my post. (stevie), Sunday, 8 May 2011 09:09 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHLgKxB14Lo
His earnestness and goofiness didn't mix at-all with the perceived cool of having an inherited 'prestige artist' status, flip-flopping between beautiful poetic wunderkind and goofy Rush-loving guitar nerd makes him such an easy target.
But all said and done I stil dig a lot of his music and especially like his effervescent atitude towards giving props to other artists, like the scatty way he arrives at the Nusrat cover on the expanded Sin-E CD for instance.
― the crap gig in the sky (MaresNest), Sunday, 8 May 2011 10:05 (thirteen years ago) link
"Mojo Pin" is one of my favorite songs ever.
and how can anybody resist "Everybody Here Wants You"
― BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Sunday, 8 May 2011 11:57 (thirteen years ago) link
flip-flopping between beautiful poetic wunderkind and goofy Rush-loving guitar nerd
I think you hit on what I like best about him! Like I think half my favorite songs of his are covers.
― crabbbittts (Abbbottt), Sunday, 8 May 2011 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubYDPqi6ht4
Por ejemplo I would have been totes happy if he just did 'sad man in him room' style cover album of 'Lamb...' *skronk*
― crabbbittts (Abbbottt), Sunday, 8 May 2011 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link
I've still never listened to "Grace," actually.
― crabbbittts (Abbbottt), Sunday, 8 May 2011 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
oh you totes should, it's a favorite of mine.
― BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Sunday, 8 May 2011 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
O_________________________________________________________________O @ i against i
ps yes listen to grace
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 8 May 2011 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
XP - he would have done a great Cuckoo Cocoon
― Per Yngve's having his brain out (MaresNest), Sunday, 8 May 2011 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
yes!!!!! that is exactly what I was thinking.
― crabbbittts (Abbbottt), Sunday, 8 May 2011 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
oh i love his "back in nyc," basement guitar tone and all
he really accessed the evil in it
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 May 2011 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
this is also where i say second disc of sketches or gtfo
xxpost I could hear him doing a very brooding and emotive "The Musical Box"
― BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Sunday, 8 May 2011 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I wonder if liked XTC?
Anyhoo, my favourite of his cover versions.http://youtu.be/__uu9kNBDS0
― Per Yngve's having his brain out (MaresNest), Sunday, 8 May 2011 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Sometimes I put on the Sin-e set, and it really strikes me how almost confrontational it is. Like, that voice, those songs, those covers, in a tiny, tiny room? I can imagine stumbling on something that intimate might have been pretty uncomfortable.
I think he's a great singer and guitarist, of course, and probably a great songwriter, too. It's almost shame he's judged almost entirely by "Grace," since by all accounts that album was slapped together pretty quickly. Considering it's bookended by live coffee shop meandering and an unfinished album, I can hardly think of another major, so influential artists represented by such an incomplete portrait.
Re: the covers, I appreciate that he seems equally and honestly into the Smiths, Zeppelin, Nusrat Fatah Ali Khan, Genesis or Bad Brains or whatever. I suppose his lack of irony, and that goofy persona, may be what puts some folks off, especially someone expecting an artist more analogous to, say, Nick Drake.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 8 May 2011 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link
well and i've seen interviews where he's really self serious and """profound""" so the bad brains cover in particular with him laughing and shit was kind of a shock
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 8 May 2011 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
in my mind he's a dork, first and foremost.
I think of him like I think of Eddie Vedder: in his natural, relaxed state he is a goob. But in yr early 20's they try to behave as serious artists and be earnest & push the goofiness down until no-one knows thats who you are. I cant stand much of the early Vedder bc of that struggle that is obvious now that he has relaxed into his fame...I think Jeff had the same discomfort with all the attention...but if he'd hung around we'd have seen more of his goofishness and it would have tempered that weird, uncomfortably fierce earnestness
― VegemiteGrrl, Sunday, 8 May 2011 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link
yeesh I hope someone can make sense of that, edit much jeez?
― VegemiteGrrl, Sunday, 8 May 2011 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Hoos, have you heard the extended Sin-E recording? There's quite a bit of silly mucking around on there.
― Per Yngve's having his brain out (MaresNest), Sunday, 8 May 2011 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
i have not
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 8 May 2011 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link
It's good!
― crabbbittts (Abbbottt), Sunday, 8 May 2011 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link
A lot of guys hated Jeff Buckley because their girlfriends wanted to fuck him.
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 8 May 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link
haha
― VegemiteGrrl, Sunday, 8 May 2011 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
ladies and gentlemen,
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 8 May 2011 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link
There's only one song on Grace that I actively dislike. (And it's not "Hallelujah." My exhaustion with that song all happened after Buckley's death -- Shrek and Watchmen and everyone else who pounded it into paste.)
― Stomp! in the name of love (WmC), Sunday, 8 May 2011 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
"So Real" is the only one I'm ambivalent to
― BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Sunday, 8 May 2011 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Jewel Box on Sketches has a really beautiful melody and over-written lyrics that still work. Morning Theft is great too, the way the melody is constantly unfolding throughout the song.
― thirdalternative, Sunday, 8 May 2011 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, Morning Theft, Vancouver, Everybody Here Wants You are among his very best I think
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 8 May 2011 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link
nightmares by the sea
― BIG YNGWIE aka the malmsteendriver (Neanderthal), Sunday, 8 May 2011 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Yesss, forgot about that one
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 8 May 2011 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link
morning theft is incredible.
― jed_, Sunday, 8 May 2011 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link
I really love Yard Of Blonde Girls
― VegemiteGrrl, Sunday, 8 May 2011 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Something about Sweetheart struck me as tentative, especially after the awkward over-the-topness of Grace. Then I heard the second (mostly demos) disc and thought, yes, this is the Buckley I know and love. I would have been overjoyed if his actual non-posthumous second album had been those 4-track recordings.
― Guy? Guy? It's me, your cousin, Marvin Mann-Dude (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 8 May 2011 23:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think he gets enough credit as a really skilled, inventive guitarist. Mad chords, open tunings (better still, a 12 string electric in open G - harmonic heaven), making complicated things sound easy and easy things sound complicated. Using an electric for solo accompaniment (and really making use of the extra stuff that can be done with it) when most singers would just plink out a few open chords on an acoustic.
― B-Boy Bualadh Bos (ecuador_with_a_c), Monday, 9 May 2011 00:02 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah that's all v.otm — never heard the stuff he did pre-solo career, but wasn't he playing lead guitar in some kinda prog band?
― "Hungry clouds swag on the deep." — William Blake (bernard snowy), Monday, 9 May 2011 00:48 (thirteen years ago) link
poll for Sketches for My Sweetheart the Drunk by Jeff Buckley
― raggett doll, livin' in a rovi (some dude), Monday, 9 May 2011 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Agreed. Upon hearing the news, my first thoughts were about the Buckley family (not that I know the first thing about them) and how tragic it might be for them. My second thought, oddly enough, was how the rumors of Simon LeBon's drowning persisted for weeks (in the pre-internet days of the mid-80s) when the actual event was measured in minutes.
Curious, how many Jeff fans do you think actually found Tim? On the ILM boards I doubt more than 20% matriculated to the elder, and in the general population it's probably less than 5%. But, yeah, the more the better.
― suspecterrain, Monday, 9 May 2011 01:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I definitely sought Tim out after I got into Jeff.
― VegemiteGrrl, Monday, 9 May 2011 01:27 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i migrated to tim from jeff. starsailor and lorca and happy/sad are completely crucial records for me now but i might only barely know them without the tremendous jeff fandom i experienced from ages 12 to okay now.
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Monday, 9 May 2011 02:07 (thirteen years ago) link