Big & Rich: Album of the Decade?

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four more weeks dude

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 7 October 2004 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link

momus how come you didn't represent on that anti-suicide girls thread? i was totally looking forward to teaming up with you, sorta like when gi joe teamed up with destro.

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 7 October 2004 21:13 (nineteen years ago) link

momus how come you didn't represent on that anti-suicide girls thread

I didn't see that thread. Were you supporting Suicide Girls or attacking it? I don't like it. The mag they were launching bombed and they never paid anyone.

Anyway, I wanted to show that I did Big & Rich's record three years ago. The similarity of the imagery in these two songs -- their 'Rollin' and my 'Robocowboys' -- is startling. Both reference cowboys, crowds, men in black. Both collide genres. Both play on the paradox of the lonely cowboy, and counterpoise him with a crowd. Theirs, though, is conformist, merely reinforcing the stereotype of the individualist in a crowd of individualists. Mine deconstructs the stereotype and shows up the paradox. (My tune also beats theirs, although I stole it from Gary Numan.) Here are extracts from the lyrics of both songs:

Ain't gonna shut my mouth
Don’t mind if I stand out in a crowd
Just want to live out loud
I know there's got to be
A few hundred million more like me
Just tryin' to keep it free

Charley Pride was the man in black
Rock 'n' roll used to be about Johnny Cash
Hey, what do you think about that
I'm a crazy son of a bitch
But I know I'm gonna make it big and rich
Yeah, I'm gonna let it rip

Hey, just wanna hear everybody sing (rollin', rollin')
At the top of your lungs till the windows break (rollin', rollin')
Say hey, Cowboy Troy...

Big & Rich, Rollin' (2004)

There's so many insiders on the outside
I think it's beginning to be the inside
And fire regulations have disallowed
Another lonely cowboy
From joining the lonely crowd

There's so many mavericks right off the map
We've redrawn the map to bring them all back
There's so many renegades off the beaten track
They're beating a track to my door
And I'm beating them back with a board

All the men in black
With nowhere left to go
Their darkness comes pre-packed
With a warm familiar glow

Robocowboys, you're dead ringers
Robocowboys, say you're singers
With your Texas Instruments

And breaking the rules has become the new rule
They're teaching it now at business school
They're all wild and crazy and one of a kind
Anarchists to a man
Everybody does it like no-one else can

And irony's a kind of sincerity now
With so many milking a once-holy cow
And alienation's a kind of belonging
A synth isn't cold any more
There's a country new wave banging on the door...

Momus 'Robocowboys' 2001

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 7 October 2004 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

(just ducking in quickly because I realize I may have given the wrong impression above -- I love J-pop and I've looked at the Vice website, and was not insulting them, I was just trying to point out that they are the very fucking epitome of Brutal Efficiency)

(and now I just hurt myself laughing at/with 'robocowboys', texas instruments, that's some balls I admit it)

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 7 October 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

isn't it exciting and dangerous listening to dangerous new music, what with all those empty spaces and dangerous unfilled corners?! music made with laptops that you can't dance to is the most dangerous kind of music nowadays, so that's all i listen to really, because i like dangerous music that threatens and challenges me to listen to more dangerous music. i like it when i can't be certain what kind of dangerous music i'm going to hear next, and when i'm feeling REALLY brave i put the wire sampler on random. but sometimes that's too dangerous.

m. (mitchlnw), Thursday, 7 October 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

By the way, I made 'Folktronic' in 2000 while Clinton was still in power. But I think its Fake Folk totally anticipates the fakely folksy presidency of Bush -- the completely synthetic populism we've seen in the last four years. I tried to undermine that and neutralise it. (Not that anybody bought my record.) Big & Rich might seem to be subverting those values too, but when you look closer they're buying into them. Having a (very bad) rapper in the band is no more subversive than Bush putting Condi Rice on his team.

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 7 October 2004 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link

sometimes though, i like songs that are about things. but always dangerous and difficult things, like paradoxes! i like it best when the songs that i'm listening to explain the paradoxes in their lyrics, so i can be sure that it's dangerous and not normal.

m. (mitchlnw), Thursday, 7 October 2004 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

when i'm not listening to dangerous music, i think about how it's a pity that black people are so easily subverted by the ruling overclass of faketronic robopublicans.

m. (mitchlnw), Thursday, 7 October 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

>Mine deconstructs the stereotype and shows up the paradox. <

Ha ha. Hey Momus, are you in Liquid Tapedeck, by any chance? If not, you join them! Your posts sound *exactly* like their press releases (except not as funny, but they could probably help you with that).

And now...

Neil Young - Computer Cowboy (1982)

Well, his cattle each have numbers
And they all eat in a line
When he turns the floodlights on each night
Of course the herd looks perfect!
Computer cowboy.

Well, he rides the range ?til midnight
And the wild coyotes yowl
As he trots beneath the floodlights
And of course the rhythm is perfect!
Computer cowboy.

Ride along computer cowboy
To the city just in time
To bring another system down
And leave your alias behind:
Computer syscrusher.

Computer syscrusher.

Crusher. syscrusher.

Syscrusher.

Come a ky ky yippee yi yippee yi ay
Come a ky ky yippee yi ay.
Come a ky ky yippee yi yippee yi ay
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Computer syscrusher.

chuck, Thursday, 7 October 2004 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

PWNED

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 7 October 2004 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Never heard of Liquid Tapedeck, Chuck.

You're going to quote 'Hi-Tech Redneck' to me next, aren't you?

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 7 October 2004 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Nah, I was trying to remember that Joe Ely robocowboy one from 1981 or so, but I can't.

chuck, Thursday, 7 October 2004 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

As for liquid tapedeck, they can beat peons over the head with how subversive and deconstructive they wish they were as well as ANYBODY, I promise (well, not was well as dj spooky, maybe, but they have way better song titles than him): http://www.thetapedeck.com/

chuck, Thursday, 7 October 2004 22:16 (nineteen years ago) link

haha - "i prefer the fat janeane"

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 7 October 2004 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Ew, Chuck, you made me look at some penises.

Momus (Momus), Thursday, 7 October 2004 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link

the "fat Janeane" is no joke, I preferred her too!

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 7 October 2004 22:33 (nineteen years ago) link

klaus nomi did sci-fi country briefly with his rubberband lazer which i'm shocked mr. currie hasn't mentioned. actually, i'm shocked he reappeared.

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Thursday, 7 October 2004 22:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay Chuck check your email.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 7 October 2004 22:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh and Parliament's "Little Ol' Country Boy" is still relevant to this discussion.

Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 7 October 2004 22:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes. Klaus Nomi's homosexual kabuki robot cowboy song 'Rubberband Laser' towers over Big and Rich like Mozart over Salieri. Thanks for reminding me, frenchbloke. Hit me with your laserbeams!

Momus (Momus), Friday, 8 October 2004 04:28 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I just saw these guys do a music mafia thing on some silly awards show. Gretchen Wilson too. They totaly came off like the the B-52's with all the camp and odd stage setup. Actually, the song medley's reminded me of them too. It was hard to see what there is to dislike.

And Gretchen Wilson can fucking sing.

danh (danh), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 01:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, like I said above, when they played live here they blatantly incoporated "Love Shack" (I think) basslines into "Love Train."

But they both sing *waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay* better than Fred Schneider.

chuck, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

oh that's tough

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link

are there any country singers that have worse singing voices than Fred Schneider? I think I might actually want to hear that!

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:39 (nineteen years ago) link

waylon jennings had a way worse voice than fred! so did kris kristofferson, maybe. i'm pretty sure waylon was worse, though.

hasn't jello biafra attempted to sing country songs on some of his CDs? his voice sounds more like fred's than anybody else's ever has.

chuck, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I love Fred Schneider's voice. :(

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Is Waylon's voice bad? I never thought of it that way. That 2-disc comp of his hits that came out a couple of years ago is good stuff.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, I love Fred Schneider's voice. I just don't think it's tough for a country singer to have a better one in a sense.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I've always thought Waylon was completely *painful* to listen to, even when I kind of like him (which is, um, once in a great while).

Fred actually sounded great in one song on a Bosco album a couple years ago, though.

chuck, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh wait, I know! Butch Hancock! He can't sing at ALL! (Unless I'm thinking of Jimmy Dale Gilmore; I totally get those guys mixed up.)

chuck, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link

i don't hear waylon's voice as being anywhere as awful as fred schneider's. kristofferson's, on the other hand, sounds like to me like the country leonard cohen. except that leonard cohen respects his limits.

frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:05 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, jimmie dale gilmore has a pretty bad voice...nasally and croaky simultaneously. who'd have thought it possible?

frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I hate everybody.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh that's right, It's been a while since I took a look at this thread. Anyway, I agree. But the B-52's are much much funnier and Cindy and Kate are both way better singers.

danh (danh), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I still consider Cosmic Thing to be one of the finest albums in recording history. This might be because I've had it since I was 9 though.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

This album (of the decade) is getting a lot of play at frat parties and strip clubs.

Clusterfuck at the Baja Fresh Salsa Bar (Ben Boyer), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Cindy and Kate are both way better singers.

er... no.

frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

>But the B-52's are much much funnier <

Also no (at least for the past 25 years).

chuck, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link

er... no.

er, YEAH.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

this has been a really shitty decade

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

The albums I prefer to Big & Rich's (and there are plenty) are definitely more exlcusively subcultural and/or youth-oriented, so I can see the logic of this being an album of the decade (so far - we're only at the half way point), even if it's not my own. Can't think of an album that anybody over 30 would offer that would be more deserving (though feel free to correct me).

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000C23DP.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Riot Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link

gah!

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure it's young country fans that like Big and Rich. Not old ones.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Those Big and Rich harmonies sounded particularly thin last night. Gretchen Wilson repeatedly blew them away when her songs came up.

danh (danh), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 16:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure it's young country fans that like Big and Rich. Not old ones.

beside the point. Compared to my favorite albums of the decade that have a specific worldview (Desaparecidos, Good Charlotte, Nellie McKay for instance), Big & Rich aren't coming from a young-person-entering-the-world context. Their anthems allow for a more universal age to voice them. Plus, unlike countless albums I find rewarding (those artists, Travis Morrison, David Banner, Kimya Dawson, etc. etc.), Big & Rich - except for their theme songs - aren't as dependent on a specific persona. I'd like to think a rap group (and I think it would have to be a group) might eventually top Big & Rich for open worldview anthems this decade (hell, maybe if the Black Eyed Peas got their shit further together).

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Big & Rich aren't coming from a young-person-entering-the-world context. Their anthems allow for a more universal age to voice them. Plus, unlike countless albums I find rewarding (those artists, Travis Morrison, David Banner, Kimya Dawson, etc. etc.), Big & Rich - except for their theme songs - aren't as dependent on a specific persona. I'd like to think a rap group (and I think it would have to be a group) might eventually top Big & Rich for open worldview anthems this decade

wha? huh?

frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah that entire post made absolutely no sense to me. What is an "open worldview anthem"?

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:28 (nineteen years ago) link

sting - "brand new day"

cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:30 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah that was a clumsy post, I apologize. The Big & Rich album strikes me as a very inclusive, anthemic album that, unlike most of the albums I prefer over it, don't come from quite as personal, subcultural or as youth-oriented a context (except for the few songs that are about being Big & Rich). I can't think of an album in that field that tops it for consistency.

manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link


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