Pitchfork's Chris Ott takes No Prisoners

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i think i too noted it was nitpicking, while also noting that i can avoid doing it no more than heat seeking missile can avoid seeking heat.

also, i try not to miss any chance to enter tom morgan and robyn st. clare into the discussion.

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 25 September 2003 03:57 (twenty years ago) link

how can you mention those two and not nic dalton?

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 25 September 2003 03:57 (twenty years ago) link

i wanted to mention nic, i swear to god, he just wasn't pertinent to that particular post!!! (i do try to be artful about these things!) but he wrote songs with evan too! and he wrote songs with tom too! and the new deezleteens 7-inch includes an unprecedented simultaneous cover of *both* sides of the replacements' first 7-inch! and there is no chance whatsoever that you will be coming across either of those 7-inches in your local used bin anytime soon!

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 25 September 2003 04:09 (twenty years ago) link

nice!

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 25 September 2003 04:26 (twenty years ago) link

Who is Chris Ott?

Jester, Thursday, 25 September 2003 04:35 (twenty years ago) link

this thread is a trip. Was surprised to see Luna's "City Kitty" called monotonous b/c it's one of my fave songs ever, ever..

I'm enjoying the article, not for any one album critique in particular but because it gives me a rather neat snapshot of a particular span of time, from when I first discovered, uh, alternative via MTV's 120 Minutes and bought a couple of the records named (a Lush album, actually just found my old cassette of "Happy Days" by Catherine Wheel, "Honey's Dead," "Psalm 69," Sugar, Belly, etc.).. and then saw nearly all the rest of them either show up at my college radio station & get trashed mercilessly by the staff, or already on the shelves of the radio station, never getting airplay.

Thing is I no longer fret so much about what kinda music is cool & actually rebought a couple of albums I'd ditched because, you know, I LIKE Ministry & recently discovered how Depeche Mode are utter genius (and did plenty of brilliant songs well after 1990) & Lush & Belly have some great singles, and I wish I could find my tape of "Harmacy" because "Beauty of the Ride" is another all-time fave of mine.

And who sells "Last Splash"? It never gets old! Nobody sells that! :)

daria g (daria g), Thursday, 25 September 2003 04:53 (twenty years ago) link

i had a copy of 'last splash' and gave it away. although i think 'title tk' is a work of genius, so take that for what it's worth. as for the article itself, i'm with Tim in that i'd rather see an article about rediscovered gems rather than this joyless exercise in trashing albums that the general public didn't really like in the first place. why would i be interested in the history of The Nixons if i will never buy one of their albums, and neither will most of my friends?

Dave M. (rotten03), Thursday, 25 September 2003 05:08 (twenty years ago) link

"Does Chris ever cover stuff like Missy or dance music though? I think he's just wrongheaded about it on message boards. ;)"

Well as I recall he did that Fischerspooner review and made that astonishing observation wrt Royksopp and microhouse.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 25 September 2003 06:36 (twenty years ago) link

While this is kind of off topic now, I think Royal Trux's Thank You, Shudder to Think's 50,000 B.C. and Superdrag's Regretfully Yours were slighted by that article and somehow omitted from their rightful place in the Top 50.

Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Thursday, 25 September 2003 06:52 (twenty years ago) link

more pics of Mrs Beckham pls

dave q, Thursday, 25 September 2003 09:28 (twenty years ago) link

I am not one to refuse Mr. Q:

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Nicolars (Nicole), Thursday, 25 September 2003 11:32 (twenty years ago) link

Dave Q gets what he wants in a few words! Chris Ott doesn't get what he wants after many! See, that's how to be confrontational *and* loved.

I LIKE Ministry & recently discovered how Depeche Mode are utter genius (and did plenty of brilliant songs well after 1990) & Lush & Belly have some great singles

Daria G just became Dan's and my closest friend.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:00 (twenty years ago) link

No kidding! I was about to be all "DARIA WILL U FAEK MARI ME CUZ IM ALREDDY MARIED AND MY WIFE WOOD KILL ME LOL OMG"

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:14 (twenty years ago) link

Well as I recall he did that Fischerspooner review and made that astonishing observation wrt Royksopp and microhouse.

Tim, yeah, as soon as I typed that I did think, 'oh, Fischerspooner.'

scott pl. (scott pl.), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:18 (twenty years ago) link

that the term grebo had been COINED to cover bands including KLF.


...which is still wrong.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:26 (twenty years ago) link

grebo

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:31 (twenty years ago) link

(haha they list KLF as a grebo band sorry Alex)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:32 (twenty years ago) link

YIKES I'M NOT A GOTH I'M GREBO LOOK AT THESE BANDS!!!!!!!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:33 (twenty years ago) link

Clearly, Chris Ott hasn't cornered the market on "being wrong."

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:34 (twenty years ago) link

grebo is the stupidest genre name since camden lurch

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:41 (twenty years ago) link

"The home of a typical Grebo comunity"?

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 25 September 2003 13:01 (twenty years ago) link

"Well as I recall he...madee that astonishing observation wrt Royksopp and microhouse."

I can't help but smile...

johnypants, Thursday, 25 September 2003 13:45 (twenty years ago) link

i'm not gonna read all this shit

mcwop23, Thursday, 25 September 2003 14:27 (twenty years ago) link

i already did. :(

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 25 September 2003 14:33 (twenty years ago) link

well, i just did!
xpost

UPDATE: DAMN YOU JORDAN!!!! NOBODY steals my lame replies!

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Thursday, 25 September 2003 14:51 (twenty years ago) link

no, i must be the one to kill the thread!

(or else i'll start thinking i'm losing my touch)

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 25 September 2003 14:56 (twenty years ago) link

This thread won't die so easily.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 25 September 2003 16:12 (twenty years ago) link

I love the pitchfork and Chris Ott is so hot and i hate all you fuckers who diss them but shot all the people who like them!!

Brooke Hardy, Thursday, 25 September 2003 17:04 (twenty years ago) link

You shot all the people who like Pitchfork? An odd way of showing your support and appreciation, that.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 25 September 2003 17:08 (twenty years ago) link

it's a joke alex

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 25 September 2003 17:13 (twenty years ago) link

I'm aware of that.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 25 September 2003 17:14 (twenty years ago) link

I wish I knew who Brooke Hardy was. Is this British humor.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 25 September 2003 19:35 (twenty years ago) link

"Throw ya neck out/Throw ya back out."

For what it's worth, Ott probably turned a couple kids onto Ministry. For that I can forgive most any flaws.

ben welsh (benwelsh), Thursday, 25 September 2003 19:39 (twenty years ago) link

interesting article. one point .. is erotica by darling buds really that common in used bins in USA .. tis indeed a rare sight in uk, and if seen should be grabbed straight away.
also .. klf = grebo. not musically by any stretch of the imagination, but didn't they work with Extreme Terror Noise @ Brits and jim cauty was definitely part of the Megadog/Crusty movement along with Youth which was like a goa trance dance side to the whole Grebo thing .. n'est pas ? and GBOA did an acid house album as well .. so there were connections ..

mark e (mark e), Friday, 26 September 2003 08:08 (twenty years ago) link

I don't really want to intrude, but I just wanted to say thank you... to actually believe that Pitchfork has more readers than spin is really funny, and I will cherish that for quite awhile.

Daron Gardner (Daron Gardner), Friday, 26 September 2003 18:35 (twenty years ago) link

to actually believe that Pitchfork has more readers than spin is really funny, and I will cherish that for quite awhile.

To ‘clear that up,’ in August, PFM had more unique hits than Spin has monthly subscribers. (But this, of course, does not mean that PFM has more readers because that stat doesn’t take into account Spin’s newsstand sales, comp list recipients, and that multiple ppl read each circulated copy of a magazine.)

scott pl. (scott pl.), Friday, 26 September 2003 18:56 (twenty years ago) link

Aside from that, unique hits are not the same as unique users. And unique users are the best comparison to print readership. If you come to a website on two different days, that counts as two unique hits (if you come back to the same website on the same day, ie during the same browser session, that's just one hit.) Comparing hits to print readers is like saying that every day I open the magazine counts as an extra reader.

The website I work for gets around 20 million unique hits a month. And it has around 6 million users a month. Big difference.

auditor, Friday, 26 September 2003 19:04 (twenty years ago) link

I can't believe no one's mentioned Worthington's Law, the more money you make, the better you are. This translates into all areas where more of something (readership) = better!

Andy Beckerman, Friday, 26 September 2003 19:05 (twenty years ago) link

Oops--600,000 users a month! Even bigger difference.

auditor, Friday, 26 September 2003 19:05 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, sorry, I did mean unique users/viewers, not hits. (thx, auditor!) This tricky Interweb terminology! (I should leave this marketing/business stuff to other pitchfork types who are more familiar with that end of things...)

scott pl. (scott pl.), Friday, 26 September 2003 19:09 (twenty years ago) link

And I'm guessing these comparison figures don't take into account all the people who go to spinmagazine.com either, right?

chuck, Friday, 26 September 2003 20:51 (twenty years ago) link

most people just go to pitchfork cos they forgot the web address for suicidegirls anyway

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Friday, 26 September 2003 20:56 (twenty years ago) link

And I'm guessing these comparison figures don't take into account all the people who go to spinmagazine.com either, right?

No, of course not. I'm not trying to manipulate these numbers to 'prove' PFM is bigger than Spin, just explaining in the face of this confusion and derision the root of that claim (and why, yes, it is flawed). (And I'm probably being defensive in the process, but I personally don't find anything healthy about these sorts of pissing contests. I'm more than happy to defend the site when I think it's being unfairly characterized, but floating misinformation as proof of PFM's size and 'superiority,' I don't find to be helpful to altering the site's image. That's not meant to be a slight toward Chris. We just approach things differently.)

scott pl. (scott pl.), Friday, 26 September 2003 22:14 (twenty years ago) link

That's okay, we wouldn't mind if you slighted Chris actually. What procedures do the Pitchfork people use to disclipline their unruly scribes ?

Vic (Vic), Friday, 26 September 2003 22:27 (twenty years ago) link

sorry i can't read the whole thread. but i must say that most of the albums mr ott critizises are bullshit. i am not a fan of his writing but i'd think that his taste is pretty much ok.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 26 September 2003 22:32 (twenty years ago) link

That's not the point, Alex.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 27 September 2003 14:28 (twenty years ago) link

for those of you who wonder why I don't write so much for Pitchfork anymore, the answer is: Chris Ott.

For the record, I want it to be known he singlehandedly makes me ashamed to write for the site. Sure, Ryan's opinions can make me shudder, but Ryan is a great, funny guy. Ott's incapable of holding a civil conversation. He loves to insult you, then come back for a big hug of "aww, I'm just kidding. I just like to rile." He loves that word "rile."

brent_D, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 01:56 (twenty years ago) link

!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 01:58 (twenty years ago) link

you don't wanna RILE me, mutherfucker! Don't you RILE me!
http://movieweb.com/movie/runronnie/co2.jpg

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:06 (twenty years ago) link

I'm a hurricane nestled inside a box of tsunamis TIMES TRIPLICATE!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:07 (twenty years ago) link


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