Kelley Polar - Love Songs of The Hanging Gardens (Environ CD05)

IDM is back bitches!

because i disagree

this is what i am getting at...claro intelecto has released stuff this year. i could name others from the "housey idm" group with current releases as well: andreas tilliander, the narita label, more artists from the AI label, matthew herbert (when he actually made music before he entered the conceptual zone of no return), donnacha costello's colour series....

And yes, I also think Kelley Polar has more in common with Larry Heard then Aphex Twin.

no, but at the same time IDM is not only autechre. it can have pop or retro elements.

with turntables behind our backs.

and no headphones.

anyway, biz, you say try mixing Hammer/Anvil with Can You Feel It? as if by default, as though you are taking it for granted it would sound right. i think maybe "hammer/anvil" would sound better mixed w/ "windowlicker" than w/ "can you feel it" (and sure enough, kelley polar shows up in way more "eclectic"/"downtempo" (read: IDM for people who don't aren't aggro/pimply) sets than house sets.

"can you feel it" would prob sound better mixed w/ LFO or something or monolake or juan atkins than it would w/ a morgan geist production.

about your parenthetical statement "((and sure enough, kelley polar shows up in way more "eclectic"/"downtempo" (read: IDM for people who don't aren't aggro/pimply) sets than house sets.)

did you do a search for this info? it's the "sure enough" part that makes me think you did a comparative analysis of dj set lists and discovered KP in more downtempo/eclectic/IDM sets...cuz i only know of KP appearing on Bents' Fabric (where it's mixed into Chicken Lips, another classic IDM act), Chicken Lips NRK mix (another IDM staple). Yes Bent make Downtempo (or IDM in your world) but their mix includes House Music! Even if "Intelligent" people "Dance" to this "Music", it's still House.

let's have a mini competition. I'll mix Can You Feel It with Kelley Polar or Morgan Geist and you mix it with LFO/Monolake/Juan Atkins/AFX/IDM of your choice, post a YSI to this thread in 3 days time and let the citizens decide what sounds better.

You do mix right? Cuz you know alot about what sounds good with what...so is it a deal?

um ... hello? boards of canada? morr music? isan? plone? carpark? all that "idylltronica" garbage?

(anyway, I think it's the other Chicken Lips mix - Body Music - which has the Kelly Polar track on it, yeah?)

Defining all dance music which might get a review in Pitchfork as IDM makes this a lot easier.

The problem I have with Vahid's contributions here is his tendency to link together a string of reasonable propositions in order to create an overall argument which seems to have powerful persuasive and shaming force but is actually linked together rather tenuously. Here that seems to be:

- IDM-related discourse privileged certain aspects of music
- Kelley Polar-related discourse privileges some of the same aspects
- historically, IDM-discourse sneered at dance music, and ended up missing what was really good about dance music
- therefore, Kelley Polar fans are inevitably fated to make the same mistake, and their Kelley Polar-fandom is but one example of this mistake.
- Kelley Polar's music can be deduced to be inferior by reference to the above observations.

This all hinges on the assumption that the Pitchforkization of dance music discourse (or the dancification of Pitchfork discourse) has done something awful to dance music discourse and, consequently, dance music itself. This itself rests on the assumption that Pitchfork's pitchforkiness (i.e. corny indie fuxxiness) perserveres despite its critical warming toward dance music, and in effect "conquers" dance music under the banner of corny indie fuxxx.

This ignores entirely the fact that Pitchfork really have changed, that there is a world of difference b/w ignoring all dance music except for Mille Plateux (Pitchfork circa 2000) and simply ignoring Vahid's favourite deep house and tech house producers (Pitchfork circa 2005).

http://carparkrecords.com/acute_US.html

Electronic music genres are pretty liquid. Their sounds evolve and take cues from various other genres over time. Jungle starts by appropriating Reggae and Dancehall, then takes in avant-jazz then changes to incorporate techno influences. Other genres have developed in the same way. House and techno are starting to look to IDM for cues and tricks, and repackage those exciting elements in a cozier box. This does not make House and Techno synonymous with IDM because it appropriates some defining elements of IDM.

on a brighter note, does anyone have the Morgan Geist Re-Edit from the Promo 12"?

no, not at all! i think the KP album is good music, maybe even good dance music. furthermore, at this point, i trust lots of the reviewers at pitchfork.

i'm not really sure what liking an IDM album (KP quintet) for the wrong reasons (thinking it's disco-house) says about the listener or kelley polar, i think it says a lot more about their relationship to pop and especially disco than it does their relationship to electronic music (house, IDM or otherwise)

(flash back to ethan a few years ago, complaining about ilm "disco" "fans" : "how come all you corny fuxx have arthur russell and larry levan CDs but no chic or village people albums?)