That def sounds right to me from what I remember. They shy away from East Coast stuff. I grew up in Cali and have lived in NYC for 9 years. It took me moving out here to start really digging into NYC rap.
― Parenthetical Grillz, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Spotify playlist: http://open.spotify.com/user/miketd/playlist/3Gre0dm7q3UC0vQfspoPRu
― mike t-diva, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Never thought of big pimpin as nyc rap, it was all over mtv etc and was straight pop
― lebroner (D-40), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
plus its got ugk and timbo
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link
I haven't watched MTV since Yo! MTV Raps went off the air. UGK didn't get the Bay Area exposure that the New Orleans/Cash Money stuff did, for some reason, I only found out about them years after the fact (lol Outkast namedropping)
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Only one song for me so far: Still D.R.E.
― pwn thugs n harmony (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link
xxpost Making a different point, guys. Settle down.
― Parenthetical Grillz, Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm not gonna argue that Big Pimpin is not a pop song (obviously it is) but in terms of radio programming and regional popularity in the Bay, the more I think about it I'm inclined to think that the Pac/Biggie murders really are the key thing... listening to/promoting east coast stuff seems border-line heretical around here. 2Pac is like a patron saint. Even years after the fact I can easily imagine how Bay Area stations wouldn't be super-keen on promoting one of Biggie's buddies, no matter how pop. Pac seems to have rather clearly lost the legacy sweepstakes for the rest of the country though - Biggie's revered as one of the greatest rappers of all-time, Pac is kind of a footnote, an also-ran. (I don't give a shit about either of them, tbh)
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think Pac is a footnote at all, given the ridiculous amount of posthumous stuff released (not to mention the "Tupac is still alive" stuff)
― low-rent black gangster nicknamed Bootsy (DJP), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
it's not like that posthumous stuff is doing his catalog any favors though. it's just cash-in shit.
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link
who is it that actually cashed in btw? is it all suge? family? or?
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link
pac was bigger in chicago than biggie
im not claiming to know what the bay was like fwiw -- i would just be genuinely surprised if big pimpin didnt have a pretty big profile & im not sure if shakey's detachment i.e. not watching MTV might be coloring his interpretation of the bay's bay-centric-ness
also virtually everyone ive talked to sees circa 2000 bay music as pretty much the worst era for bay rap
― lebroner (D-40), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't really know ... would assume it's suge, dude has bills to pay
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link
circa 2000 bay music as pretty much the worst era for bay rap
not gonna contest this point lol
― S'cool bro, I only cried a little (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
wasn't mama pac behind the posthum stuff
― no serenade no fire brigade just a trypophobia (Edward III), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i am the final spottieottiedopaliscious voter
defeat me and you will go on to battle your rival, gary
― cause i'm close to the edge of glory i'm trying not to lose my hair (zachlyon), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link
"i wish" was in my top 10 because "i wish" is the best, also voted "what's up fatlip" and "shimmy shimmy ya" and "party and bullshit"
― cause i'm close to the edge of glory i'm trying not to lose my hair (zachlyon), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link
It's weird how some of this just passed me by for some reason I've never heard any Big L stuff but I've heard bits of that song as samples in a lot of places.
I always have stages where I'm not paying attention to rap music for a while and then get back into it and try to catch up, and some things just never click. Tupac, Boot Camp, Bone Thugs, and Chronic 2001 don't do anything for me at all; I couldn't get into them retroactively for some reason.
― joygoat, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 04:42 (thirteen years ago) link
only a couple bits of it iirc. even if she was involved with anything on "Tha" Row, one can bet she wasn't paid.
― all cats are gay (sic), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 05:52 (thirteen years ago) link
no, looks like I'm wrong, and she was behind all the "remixed from Makaveli masters" and "edited to say G-Unit instead of Snoop Dogg" type nonsense.
― all cats are gay (sic), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 06:16 (thirteen years ago) link
3 of my noms so far, (eye know, opp, rapper's delight). Should have voted.
― ◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝◦ ⃝ (Moka), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 08:16 (thirteen years ago) link
mike t-diva's Spotify playlist comes up blank on my computer so here's an alternative I was working on during the rollout (everything available except BIG, De La and Fat Lip).
http://open.spotify.com/user/dorianlynskey/playlist/0iJcQ4wdgCOURbEHP0wbCD
― Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 08:19 (thirteen years ago) link
voted for:
96. Fat Lip - What's Up Fat Lip [5 votes, 126 points, 2000]89. Jeru The Damaja - Come Clean [5 votes, 140 points, 1993]87. Ludacris - Southern Hospitality [6 votes, 143 points, 2000]86. Smoothe da Hustler ft. Trigger tha Gambler - Broken Language [4 votes, 146 points, 1996]83. Heltah Skeltah ft. OGC - Lefleuf Leflah Eskoshka [4 votes, 151 points, 1995]79. Jay-Z ft. U.G.K. – Big Pimpin’ [5 votes, 154 points, 1999]78. The Notorious B.I.G. - Party and Bullshit [5 votes, 156 points, 1993]76. Ol' Dirty Bastard - Shimmy Shimmy Ya [8 votes, 158 points, 1995]
rest of the list is great too, tons of songs on my shortlist
― steady sbobbin (symsymsym), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 08:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Great results so far.
― brodie to the max (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 09:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Hazarding a guess at the top 20: Juicy, Follow the Leader, Paid in Full, Shook Ones Part II, Gin & Juice, CREAM, TROY, It Was a Good Day, Mind Playing Tricks on Me, How I Could Just Kill a Man, Triumph, Flava in Ya Ear, The Message, Straight Outta Compton, Passing Me By, something else from Dre, something from Tribe, something from Jay-Z, and a couple of PE tracks. Based on my album predictions I'm probably wrong but I'm going to throw it out there anyway.
― Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 09:01 (thirteen years ago) link
i think ante up will be top 20. and nuthing but a g thang.
― steady sbobbin (symsymsym), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 09:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Goddamn this list is taking me on a nostalgic tour through my childhood. But I'm ashamed to admit that I had never heard that Ice Cube song and it is THE MOST BADASS THING EVER. Don't know how I avoided diving into his discography despite loving Today was a good day, which I placed pretty high
Voted so far:94. T.I. - Rubberband Man [5 votes, 128 points, 2003]77. Dr. Dre - Still D.R.E. [6 votes, 156 points, 1999]76. Ol' Dirty Bastard - Shimmy Shimmy Ya [8 votes, 158 points, 1995]
― The dad guitar, or "bass" in muso terms (Whitey on the Moon), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 09:12 (thirteen years ago) link
oh, and la di da di xp
― steady sbobbin (symsymsym), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 09:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, I think you're right. I was tapping these out from memory on my phone last night and knew I'd forget a couple of obvious ones. Feel like I'm underrating 80s Def Jam too but not sure if there's an unchallenged Run-DMC or Beastie Boys pick. With the likes of Mobb Deep or the Geto Boys there's really only one consensus contender. From the 00s, maybe What You Know as well? I can't see 99 Problems, Get Ur Freak On or BOB having quite the same impact in this context that they would in a cross-genre best-of-00s poll. But I expect (and hope) to be surprised in all kinds of ways.
― Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 10:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I would assume "I Got 5 on It" is in the top 20; it's one of those cases where everyone loves the single, even though few care about other things the act did.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 10:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Similarly, I think "Regulate" will place quite high.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 10:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I voted for both and have never heard a single note of anything else Da Luniz did.
― Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 10:40 (thirteen years ago) link
And from the 00s, I think "Drop It Like It's Hot" got plenty of votes... Though knowing the average age of ILXors, probably not as much as "Who am I? (What's My Name?)", which I assume is in the top 20 too.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 10:44 (thirteen years ago) link
voted for both and have never heard a single note of anything else Da Luniz did.
Haha, I gave them both high votes too, and I've never heard anything else by Luniz either (and I'm only vaguely familiar with Warren G's other output).
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 10:46 (thirteen years ago) link
― Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, June 8, 2011 5:01 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
"Scenario" and "It Takes Two" and "Children's Story" and "Top Billin'" should place pretty high too
― Shippie_Ipley_Dope (some dude), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 11:36 (thirteen years ago) link
don't think "How I Could Just Kill A Man" will be that high up but maybe i'm underestimating it. i think Jay-Z will suffer from vote-splitting and nothing of his will be very high. "Big Pimpin'" might even be it for him on this list.
― Shippie_Ipley_Dope (some dude), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 11:38 (thirteen years ago) link
gonna do a couple now and then some more after 6.
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 11:47 (thirteen years ago) link
75. Doug E. Fresh and the Get Fresh Crew - The Show [4 votes, 168 points, 1985]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDkqz5C62SM
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 11:49 (thirteen years ago) link
wait shit i forgot to write in 1 first place vote but the points were still right.
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 11:50 (thirteen years ago) link
my #1! TOO FUCKING LOW!
― Shippie_Ipley_Dope (some dude), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 11:56 (thirteen years ago) link
74. The Coup – Me and Jesus the Pimp in a ’79 Grenada Last Night [5 votes, 168 points, 1998]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiot-mH0EQ
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 11:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Nice contrast
― Strictly vote-splitting (DL), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 12:02 (thirteen years ago) link
72. LL Cool J - Rock the Bells [6 votes, 172 points, 1985]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DphkDgAMKqY
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 12:10 (thirteen years ago) link
72 or 73?
― pwn thugs n harmony (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 12:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm glad at least one tune by The Coup made it, even though my favourite is "Fat Cats, Bigga Fish". But "Me and Jesus..." is hella chilling too, storytelling rap at its best.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 12:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Whoa, apparently there is a novel based on the lyrics "Me and Jesus the Pimp..."!!!
http://www.amazon.com/Too-Beautiful-Words-Monique-Morris/dp/0066211050
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 12:24 (thirteen years ago) link
"Rock The Bells" also comically low
― Shippie_Ipley_Dope (some dude), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 12:29 (thirteen years ago) link
73 sorry. 72 is...
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 12:29 (thirteen years ago) link
72. The Notorious B.I.G. - Gimme The Loot [4 votes, 1 first place vote, 173 points, 1994]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzvL4O3uomg
― WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 12:31 (thirteen years ago) link
i personally like these things more when the emphasis is on singles over album tracks but "Gimme The Loot" is pretty unfuckwithable
― Shippie_Ipley_Dope (some dude), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 12:38 (thirteen years ago) link