i'm trying to think of some provocative, interesting way i could get people to care about the new Brian Blade album or some brass band shit, but i'm coming up empty.
― Jordan, Thursday, 5 June 2008 16:59 (sixteen years ago) link
tits.jpg
― roxymuzak, Thursday, 5 June 2008 17:00 (sixteen years ago) link
guys i'm going to post more to ILM now so don't worry
― n/a, Thursday, 5 June 2008 17:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Jordan, I've been about to check out that Brian Blade album for the past few days based on your flakking.
Tracer learned his lesson when he started that Go-go thread.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 5 June 2008 17:01 (sixteen years ago) link
I think you missed the point of the poll (as did most). It could have turned into an interesting discussion -- which song(s) that M@rk named were perfect? which weren't so perfect? what other songs are "perfect" to each of us? and what makes a perfect song?
The only remotely interesting part of this is the final sentence, and I personally regard the idea of a "perfect" song to be a red herring because there are so many variables in music. Still, we could have had that discussion WITHOUT appealing to such a crass and blatant authority as a popular indie website, or starting a poll whose options would almost certainly occlude any proactive theoretical debate. I don't think the idea of creating a "perfect" song is at all interesting, sorry. It's a big, booming, subjective point of pseudo-critical wankery, the enemy of theoretical innovation or fun.
― Just got offed, Thursday, 5 June 2008 17:31 (sixteen years ago) link
so consensus is:
-no big crossover albums -rolling balkanization -not enough discussion on poll threads
#2 can be helped by maybe starting independent threads for stuff Rolling dudes think might have broader appeal?
-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, June 5, 2008 1:59 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Link
Let us decide to ask a few interestingly posed questions about especially new and exciting albums/artists/etc. that we would normally keep to one of the rolling threads (in my case, the only one I read is Rolling Metal) and see what happens.
-- roxymuzak, Thursday, June 5, 2008 4:46 PM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
great minds
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 June 2008 17:36 (sixteen years ago) link
otm
― roxymuzak, Thursday, 5 June 2008 17:39 (sixteen years ago) link
There's too many threads.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 5 June 2008 17:45 (sixteen years ago) link
I would much rather look at board that had few threads about noteworthy albums than sifting through "BEST ALBUM WITH A DOG ON THE COVER POLL"
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 5 June 2008 17:46 (sixteen years ago) link
New Music on ILM #1: Five O'Clock Heroes feat. Agyness Deyn - "Who"
― Noodle Vague, Thursday, 5 June 2008 17:50 (sixteen years ago) link
rolling balkanization
I'm pro the continued separation of ILM into tribes which have and want nothing to do with each other.
― Gorge, Thursday, 5 June 2008 17:52 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, June 5, 2008 12:46 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
these are why rolling threads are the best, i guess they just get daunting after a while
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 5 June 2008 17:53 (sixteen years ago) link
This is shit for the many people who dearly like a lot of different musical styles.
― Just got offed, Thursday, 5 June 2008 17:55 (sixteen years ago) link
And it's great for people who long ago got tired of the standard belittling and values/taste warring that's standard practice here.
― Gorge, Thursday, 5 June 2008 17:58 (sixteen years ago) link
Ride it out dude. Pay the haters no mind and they will magically stop affecting you. I say this as someone who learned the increasingly easy way.
― Just got offed, Thursday, 5 June 2008 18:00 (sixteen years ago) link
likewise
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 June 2008 18:03 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Just got offed, Thursday, June 5, 2008 5:55 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
rock, prog-rock, and post-rock?
― Jordan, Thursday, 5 June 2008 18:15 (sixteen years ago) link
He makes a good point, though. Ringtone is my home, but no way I can keep up with Metal & Dance too.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 June 2008 18:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Balkanization is never the answer, people. Look at the Balkans.
― Noodle Vague, Thursday, 5 June 2008 18:19 (sixteen years ago) link
I hate when threads you like just disappear, whatever happened to rolling teenpop. So good.
― I know, right?, Thursday, 5 June 2008 18:21 (sixteen years ago) link
jordan.xls
― Just got offed, Thursday, 5 June 2008 18:22 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm just waiting for Tombot to lock the rejected jbr screenames thread and then it's adios.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 5 June 2008 18:23 (sixteen years ago) link
i don't follow all the rolling threads obv. but it's nice that they're there. i've stopped in the country thread to ask about something before.
honestly, i can't believe that there's a better forum than ilm as far musical breadth goes.
― Jordan, Thursday, 5 June 2008 18:23 (sixteen years ago) link
we could have had that discussion WITHOUT appealing to such a crass and blatant authority as a popular indie website,
you're making a lot of assumptions there buddy. i didn't appeal to anything, i simply linked to a column which i found interesting as a starting point for debate. and sorry if you're too cool for that "popular indie website" -- M@rk writes one of the best music columns on the web there, and even if you don't care for the "perfect songs" issue, you'd do yourself a favor to check out the 50+ chapters he's already written.
― stephen, Thursday, 5 June 2008 18:32 (sixteen years ago) link
i've stopped in the country thread to ask about something before
I really like when people do this, especially when they're not one of the six or seven people who usually post on that thread (who tend to agree with each other too much anyway). Don't think anybody has ever been "shouted down" or lol'ed out or anything.
― xhuxk, Thursday, 5 June 2008 18:32 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, Pitchfork has gotten really quite good, it's big enough that it can be alarmingly retarded and great at the same time. The poptimist column is consistently great and the piece about Blackout is one of my favourite pieces of music writing that managed to nail what I love about that record, make me look at things about it in a different way and just be a really great piece of writing in general. And I learned about cheveu there.
― I know, right?, Thursday, 5 June 2008 18:45 (sixteen years ago) link
the opeth review on pitchfork was pretty good. except for the part where he dismissively sped through their back catalogue. and how may times do you really need to fucking mention mastodon in a review of a band that bears no relation to them whatsoever. i mean, come on.
― Charlie Howard, Thursday, 5 June 2008 18:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Because Mastodon is the only metal band there is. The other is of course Pig Destroyer.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 June 2008 18:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, Pitchfork has gotten really quite good, it's big enough that it can be alarmingly retarded and great at the same time. The poptimist column is consistently great and
this ^^
like any site, it has its high and low points. there are at least 5 or 6 writers there i think are very good, though, and check out their reviews regularly. not to mention the great columns (Resonant Frequency, Poptimist, sometimes Puritan Blister too) and the generally well-thought out interviews (PJ Harvey a couple months ago was a huge highlight). i'd be hard pressed to name a website with more consistent, high quality music writing in 2008.
of course, it has its low points as well. see lately: the Spiritualized and Black Angels reviews, both of which i think relied verrrrry heavily on sweeping generalizations (Spiritualized) and cliches about "drug music" (Black Angels).
― stephen, Thursday, 5 June 2008 19:34 (sixteen years ago) link
It's like anywhere, you kinda need to get to know the site and you don't even need to try to ignore all the rubbish (Exclusive, The Gossip on tour with CSS!!!) because you don't even notice it. Yeah, Resonant Freq is quite good often too.
― I know, right?, Thursday, 5 June 2008 19:38 (sixteen years ago) link
I miss Stylus, that one I liked.
Resonant Frequency is one of the best columns about music being written today.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 5 June 2008 19:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Stylus was excellent. i got a shoutout in the year-end Bluffer's Guide too! thanks guys!
― stephen, Thursday, 5 June 2008 19:40 (sixteen years ago) link
Exclusive, The Gossip on tour with CSS!!!
major LOLZ
― stephen, Thursday, 5 June 2008 19:41 (sixteen years ago) link
does ott still write for pitchfork? that guy is a stinker. peeyoooo!
okay, it seems i only have myself to blame. i've been busy with other stuff and haven't been able to singlehandedly keep ilm entertaining. i apologize. for the lack of random picture threads. the lack of long spazzy thread titles. i'm sorry for everything.
ilm just needs a little more bite is all. a little more tang. some zazz. we'll be up and running in no time.
just a little too toothless these days. no i don't want flambe wars and all that no no no just a little more...grit. a good thread to sink my teeth into for fun and profit. that no age thread was pretty entertaining! considering i've barely heard the band. and that's the kind of thread i like. it can be "about" anything and go anywhere.
when ile would hold their semi-annual let's diss ilm fest on some metathread people would always say that they never came here cuz it was so "scary" and "intimidating". ha! they wouldn't say that now i'll bet. buncha pussycats on here. and that can be nice sometimes. (thinking back to when i first started hanging out here and blount and jess would rip someone to shreds and send them home crying without blinking an eye)
― scott seward, Thursday, 5 June 2008 19:50 (sixteen years ago) link
WTF? Stylus Magazine is no more???? (x-post)
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 5 June 2008 19:52 (sixteen years ago) link
way xpost "It's a big, booming, subjective point of pseudo-critical wankery, the enemy of theoretical innovation or fun."
see here, you're completely underrating pseudiness. Its what ILM was built on and a little bit of what makes this place special.
also scott is right. ILM just needs to pull its socks up a bit and stop pretending to be a snob while secretly dancing around the room.
― Thomas, Thursday, 5 June 2008 20:00 (sixteen years ago) link
ILM needs to bring back PEW
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 5 June 2008 20:02 (sixteen years ago) link
uhhh
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 5 June 2008 20:06 (sixteen years ago) link
Shocking news.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 June 2008 20:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Alfred, this was the first you'd heard about it too I'm sure.
RIP month of falsely feeling credible
― Tape Store, Thursday, 5 June 2008 20:09 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah guyz mr snrub is being completely serious
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 5 June 2008 20:09 (sixteen years ago) link
This is no way for Todd Burns to treat his staff. See the knife in my back?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 5 June 2008 20:10 (sixteen years ago) link
-- scott seward, Thursday, June 5, 2008 2:50 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
is scott proposing to make ILM The new home of meta?
― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 5 June 2008 20:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Ride it out dude.
Not necessary. I don't miss people not participating, or stopping in, if that's actually what's happening.
Balkanization is never the answer, people
It's working great in the US, far as I'm concerned.
In answering another query, Rolling Teenpop was rubbed out when one of the solid contributors got sick of it being trolled and asked for locking.
― Gorge, Thursday, 5 June 2008 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link
It's working great in the US, far as I'm concerned
o_O
― Noodle Vague, Thursday, 5 June 2008 20:35 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm going to assume Gorge is joking about not minding that people *who would otherwise like to talk about country music* stay out of the rolling country thread because the people on that thread don't want "outsiders" in. Because that's a bullshit attitude to have on a public message board.
― Euler, Thursday, 5 June 2008 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Maybe he doesn't want extreme metal fans posting in his rolling hard rock thread?
― Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 5 June 2008 20:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, the thing you need to understand about George is that he is a good writer and really knowledgeable in his fields, but he is the metal/hard rock version of Geir and you just have to add "to me" or "in bed" after everything he says.
― Jeff Treppel, Friday, 6 June 2008 00:27 (sixteen years ago) link