i have a decent familiarity with Pavement's catalog (heard all the proper albums before i realized i dislike them more often than i like them) and the results of that poll didn't look at all unpredictable to me tbh.
― Mr. John Scatman (some dude), Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:47 (thirteen years ago) link
"one at a time" partisans, can we at least agree that once the reveal starts for X, the voting can start for Y?
― Mr. Patrick Batman (WmC), Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link
Suggested format:
MC HAMMER Tracks Poll (Next up: The Cranberries)
― Mark G, Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― Mr. John Scatman (some dude), Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link
now i want to make a "Zombie" vs. "2 Legit 2 Quit" thread
― Mr. John Scatman (some dude), Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:50 (thirteen years ago) link
2 Legit all the way
― best way to stop identity theft is bad credit (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:56 (thirteen years ago) link
Puuuuuullllllllllppppppp
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i love Pulp but any poll would that MOST predictable results ever it's that one
― Mr. John Scatman (some dude), Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link
but if any poll would have the most etc.
― Mr. John Scatman (some dude), Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:59 (thirteen years ago) link
Just because "Summer Babe" won and "Gold Soundz" placed high, didn't mean the rest of the poll was predictable. There were lots of non-album tracks and rarities, very cool to see which ones were the most loved.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 16 June 2011 14:59 (thirteen years ago) link
I voted in the Blur poll, didn't in the Pavement poll and won't vote in the Manics. However even though I'm not a Pavement fan the enthusiasm and debate made it an interesting read. I don't know why some dude's so worked up about them, it's not as if they're hard to ignore. Matt DC's one at a time option seems a good compromise.
I agree the choices so far have been too indiecentric but those bands will soon be worked through and other bands/producers will get their chance to shine.
ps I bags the Pet Shop Boys poll.
― Cluster the boots (Billy Dods), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:01 (thirteen years ago) link
I guess I'm not sure what the argument is here really. If people want to do a poll, so what? Just skip the ones you don't care about, tbh.
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link
One-at-a-time is important I feel.
to take part in this kind of exhaustive poll, you really need to know the ins and outs of an act's catalogue pretty well
No! You just have to take part! Once enough people join in, the crowdsourcing element means any nonsense gets ironed out. I didn't do the Pavement one because I couldn't fill a ballot, but I did do the hiphop one despite lack of knowledge - it was sad to see all a hoy hoy's efforts going to waste for a while because people weren't stepping up.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link
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eh most the b-sides i haven't heard, i'd seen the titles enough to know they were gonna do well
― Mr. John Scatman (some dude), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I think the point here is that the winner is never the most interesting part of these polls; it's watching the roll-out and debating the songs as they appear.
― anarcho-misogynist puppies (DJP), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^^ otm qft omg itt
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link
DAN OTM
― ...wow! (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Like, in the Blur poll, ppl were so enthusiastic about this entire swath of Blur that I never bothered with that I began to think that I actually might like the band outside of a few random songs; as it turned out when I started digging that wasn't really the case, but reading people's discussion of stuff was really fun.
Also, silly me thought that no one was mentioning "This Is A Low" because no one liked it, not because it was a predestined #1, lol.
― anarcho-misogynist puppies (DJP), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, the top 10 is almost always predictable, it's what comes before that which is interesting
― peter in montreal, Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
I would also happily participate in a Belle & Sebastian one, loads of songs in that catalogue. I am another person who didn't vote in the hip hop albums because it would've been, you know, Jay-z, Wu Tang, Rob Base and Positive K. Figured it was better to leave for people who *know* hip hop well. I *know* Blur well so included myself in that poll!
Joni is a good choice. Beach Boys, Bjork, Bowie, Jay-z, Pixies.. I voted Radiohead as that's another catalogue I know really well (lol 15 year old in 1997).
some dude: I will rep for weird Pulp shit any day of the week! O.U. (Gone Gone)? Ansaphone? SRBSKI JEB? We can do this.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Madonna and Prince would be the two I would feel least qualified to vote in but most interested in following.
― Mr. Patrick Batman (WmC), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:08 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, it's basically just a great chance to discuss artist X in real depth. Nothing to hate here, if it's not for you it's immediately obvious that it's not one to click on.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:08 (thirteen years ago) link
AND the poll roll-out gives a structure and rhythm to the discussion, perhaps artificially extending the amount of time the participants in the results thread spend talking about and listening to the artist(s) in question.
― anarcho-misogynist puppies (DJP), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:08 (thirteen years ago) link
OK, I had such fun doing the spreadsheet on the Aphex POIII that I bagsy the Aphex POLLL when it comes round.
(I'll even allow the 40,000 side projects so you're in luck, Soit P-P fans!)
― Karen D. Tregaskin, Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link
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this, also! Bookmarked the hip hop one to find out what good stuff I've been missing!
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Argh xp, Positive K *really* needed that single extra vote to make the 100
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link
As far as I can see there's been about seven threads devoted to single artist write in polls over the past month. It's hardly overloading the board, there's usually about half a dozen 'radio button' polls finishing each day.
― Cluster the boots (Billy Dods), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link
What was the structure of the Pavement poll? 3 days to vote, 3 days' reveal? I think a 2-day reveal would be fine for all these, whether it's a top-50 or top-60.
― Mr. Patrick Batman (WmC), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:12 (thirteen years ago) link
I do think nominations are a little silly for single artist polls; check a discography for yr eligible tracks.
There are also bands I want to do (or see) completely skewed, counter-intuitive polls to force critical re-evaluation on segments of material, like a post-1990 Depeche Mode poll or a no singles Orbital poll (obv not with a top 50, lol)
― anarcho-misogynist puppies (DJP), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Ismael: damnit!!!! Honestly though I wouldn't be able to do 50 songs without adding 10 Jay-z, the Busta remix of Fantasy, etc. Woulda been laughed out of the thread.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Eh, I ran out of time (lol work) but my ballot basically would have been "every song by my favorite x artists plus like 5 classics"
― anarcho-misogynist puppies (DJP), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
@DJP - New Order post-Technique poll? ::shudders::
― Karen D. Tregaskin, Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, the initial threads for the Traxpoll aren't so much a "nom" as a "bigup" for certain tracks.
― Mark G, Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link
KDT: Yes, exactly! Obv getting people to opt in would be difficult but I think there's some value in exploring/re-evaluating a band when they fall out of their "unadulterated genius" period
― anarcho-misogynist puppies (DJP), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
hey before the flood can we make a rule that only one of these can go on at once
clicked "like" button on this one
― censored my own brad whitford joke (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Yo La Tengo (27-year-discography, wide-ranging opinions about recent work) would be an interesting poll for a year or so down the line.
― Mr. Patrick Batman (WmC), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Nick Cave
― President Keyes, Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link
Voted Bowie, but could've easily gone for other (Tom Waits)
― Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link
predictably, I voted for Zeppelin
― censored my own brad whitford joke (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
people find the results roll-out process so seductive (increasingly so in presentation terms too e.g. v positive reaction to video screen grabs with text on them for tracks ) that i do think most polls are created more for this (intensified communal) experience than a genuine curiosity about and value of the results (in most cases). so yeah journey > destination, that's more an observation than a criticism (i was and still am pretty into the presentation aspect like a maniac - been working on a site to display list/poll results in cool ways for ages but never finished because actual important stuff gets in the way).
an artist-specific poll could be good for someone who wants a quick easy guide to that artist but not necessarily more than a S/D, C/D, POX or just general discussion thread about them.
― blueski, Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
this seems like a good schedule
how much time per results thread?
― iatee, Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I'll do a Beach Boys poll but will probably wait a bit
― lots of janitors have something to say (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link
too late bro I claimed the boys
omg I can't wait for the multiple threads of trying to coordinate this "one poll at a time idea"
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah I don't see why there has to be a schedule? if I don't want to see a thread I just don't click that link?
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link
Thread for coordinating the order and timing of ILM ballot polls
― Mr. Patrick Batman (WmC), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:35 (thirteen years ago) link
― iatee,
*hats off*
― lots of janitors have something to say (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
this seems to be a really hard concept for people to grasp
― the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Is that coördinating thread just for single artists, or for all polls. Because I quite fancy trying a disco one.
― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah but a load of polls on the front page at once makes it harder to see the rest, and causes niche interest threads to drop off New Answers more quickly. Also, the more polls there are going on at once the less likely they are to get wide participation and comment.
Kinda amazed the first post on that thread wasn't someone immediately going I CLAIM INSANE CLOWN POSSE.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 16 June 2011 15:41 (thirteen years ago) link