Post-Smile Beach Boys albums?

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Can we sort out "I Wanna Pick You Up" once and for all now please? I mean, who let that one slip past?!!

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 15:05 (twenty years ago) link

Sort out?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 15:06 (twenty years ago) link

I've been recently fond of putting playing Beach Boys'"Love You" at three times its normal speed in my dvd player. With the synthesizers and the minimal drums on nearly every track, sped up the record sounds like the chipmunks' foray into electroclash.

theodore fogelsanger, Tuesday, 25 November 2003 20:23 (twenty years ago) link

dog latin, basically just think of the Beach Boys as a bunch of fat, white (or almost as white) Michael Jacksons who really aren't pedophiles but are still prone to freaking people out from time to time.

dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 20:28 (twenty years ago) link

Sorry, but I'm still in the camp that "Love You" is grossly overrated. It's funny, charming, and -- ur, well -- kind of embarrassing really. I fail to see how this is some return to form for Brian. This album makes me think of the "What's Happening?" theme song many times because of the bouncy synth sound of many of the songs. I can just imagine Brian and Rerun hopping all around the basketball court.. seriously. I mean the lyrics to "I Wanna Pick You Up" : "PAT PAT PAT PAT PAT HER ON HER BUTT BUTT". (the song is above his kid obviously,.. I think, haha). Yeah, pure Brian Wilson genius for sure. Not saying "Love You" is worse than what surrounds it though. And "Johnny Carson" is a great 'tchoon. But "15 Big Ones" has almost as many good tracks as "Love You" IMHO, while the former gets trashed.

Actually, from "Carl and the Passions -- So Tough" and on, you could put together a single 80 minute (if even that) CDR of good Beach Boys songs collecting the best from that album and all the ones after. (Granted, you wouldn't have to go too far past it)

"L.A./Light Album" is much maligned, me thinks. "Here Comes The Night" disco is quite out of place, despite me liking it, half-ironically... but "Good Timin'", "Baby Blue", and even "Sumahama" are a good hit/miss ratio for a late 70s Beach Boys record.. you have to admit.

And I think "Surf's Up" is a much better album than "Sunflower", though both are alright.. though unfortunately, Mike Love's "Student Demonstration Time" skunks up "Surf's Up" so badly, that I can totally understand why people choose "Sunflower" over it just for that reason.


donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 20:43 (twenty years ago) link

I also find it kind of mystifying that 15 Big Ones is trashed while Love You is respected. I've always liked Mike Love's "Everyone's in Love With You" from big ones. Both albums are about equal in the sense that they have the roughly the same few amount of decent songs.
"Johnny Carson" reminds me of that episode of the Simpsons when Homer, Barney, Principal Skinner, and Apu become a hugely famous barbar shop quartet during the mid 80s. During recording sessions for the group's sophmore slump album, main songwriter Homer is criticized for his proposed song about C. Everett Koop (sp?) in that it's worse than his song about Mr. T.
"Let's Put Our Hearts Together" is a strange duet between Brian and his wife at the time. The lyrics suggest much therapy.
"Love You" can perhaps be enjoyed more ironically than 15 big ones.

theodore fogelsanger, Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:00 (twenty years ago) link

"Matchpoint of Our Love" is actually one of their best songs. Too bad the lyrics are so odd.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 21:54 (twenty years ago) link

"15 Big Ones" is half-good, the covers aren't too hot.

"Love You" is actually my favorite post-"Wild Honey" LP. One of the greatest records made in any genre anywhere. "Sunflower" is good; "Surf's Up" and "Holland" are pretty weak. "20/20" is also good. But "Love You" is their last truly essential work--it's fun to watch TV in California!

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 14:37 (twenty years ago) link

"I'll bet he's nice", "Let's put out hearts together", "The Night Was So Young" (the very best perhaps), "Solar System", "Good Time", "Mona", "Honkin' Down the Highway" are all greatly enjoyable and fine songs. Some perhaps more simple than others - but never simplistic in terms of arrangement. I fail to see that "15 Big Ones" has as many enjoyable tracks on it, or as much of a cohesive feel and "mood" as does "Love You".
"Had to Phone Ya" is about the only song I really like on "15BO"; maybe a few others are passable, but there's simply not the volume of good material on that record as opposed to "Love You", IMO.

Tom May (Tom May), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 14:42 (twenty years ago) link

Friends is by far my favourite, but you can improve it. if you have the 2-fer CD of Friends / 20/20 , simply program it to replace "Transcendental Meditation" with much better closer "I Went To Sleep" (from 20/20 , which was more an odds n ends collection than a conceived-as studio album anyway). then Friends becomes one of the best albums ever... lovely

Paul (scifisoul), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:16 (twenty years ago) link

From "15 Big Ones" I like "Had to Phone Ya" too. Also "Susie Cincinnati." Off of "Love You," "The Night Was So Young" is gorgeous, esp. the bridge.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:44 (twenty years ago) link

Reasons to love Love You:

1. Let Us Go on This Way
The big rowdy funfair intro that harks back to "Amusement Parks USA" is juxtaposed with the sweet accappella chorus of "God, please let us go on this way". Brian really screams this one out, okay he sounds a bit like your drunken uncle trying to tell you how great the Stones sounded in 1973 but I find this rather more fun than boring ol Mick Jagger.

2. Roller Skating Child
I have to listen to this one again when I get home from work - I can only remember the opening lines.

3. Mona
"Hope your gonna love Phil Spector"! Class.

4. Johnny Carson
One of the best tracks on here. Lyrically harks back to Smiley Smile again. This is probably one of the first examples of someone singing about a minor celebrity for no reason at all and lyrically, this solidifies the "Love You" ethos. There is no other Beach Boys album that gives out this kind of fried vision. It's like Brian has gone full circle. The naivety of early works is amplified to the extreme and it's as though he's stopped being a teenager and started being a child again. Sad? Perhaps. But surely it takes a lot of courage to be this honest, especially after a hiatus such as this.

5. Good Time
This is classic simply for the lyrics "She's kinda skinny, and so she leaves her falsies on/She's always cooking and she's so good lookin" etc. It's madness but only Brian could make this work. Love the strutting oompah and the Smiley-Smile harmonies too.

6. Honkin' Down the Highway
"Gosh darn!" It really sounds like Brian could be recovering here. There's a real feeling of peace, expectation and freedom in the lyrics - "Got a little date with an angel".

7. Ding Dang
This is a lot of fun - written with someone from the Byrds - non?

8. Solar System
I like to imagine Brian being swooshed round a badly superimposed universe on this song. Again, hilarious lyrics.

9. Night Was So Young
A reminder that Brian will always be capable of writing something truly beautiful.

10. I'll Bet He's Nice
I love the synth work on this track - the first one that stood out for me.

11. Let's Put Our Hearts Together
I love this one too! The female singer (I forget her name - it's not Marilyn Wilson is it?) is really nice along Brian's now hoarse bawl. I like the harmonies of synth and voice on the "Take your time don't worry 'bout a thing" line.

12. I Wanna Pick You Up
This is so disturbing depending on how you view it.

13. Airplane
Another favourite - highly underrated. Truly lovely.

14. Love Is a Woman
Some more words of wisdom to end.


dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:36 (twenty years ago) link

I would also rank "Surf's Up" ahead of "Sunflower". "Student Demonstration Time" is the only stinker (although a major one) on "Surf's Up" while the first 3-4 tracks on "Sunflower" gives that album a not too impressive start.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:39 (twenty years ago) link

I have friends who reckon "Student Demo" is one of their best songs. They say it livelys up "Surf's Up". Then again, they're quite political and fans of metal.

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:48 (twenty years ago) link

A metal fan isn't supposed to like Beach Boys anyway.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:49 (twenty years ago) link

I do.

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 17:52 (twenty years ago) link

MIKE *KERCHANG* LUV

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 18:49 (twenty years ago) link

Two words:

ADULT CHILD

lonenutnate, Wednesday, 26 November 2003 19:35 (twenty years ago) link

Johnny Carson is a minor celebrity? That makes me feel old.

Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 20:37 (twenty years ago) link

'A metal fan isn't supposed to like Beach Boys anyway'

unless they were Freddie Mercury or Brian May!

dave q, Wednesday, 26 November 2003 20:38 (twenty years ago) link

On the Sunflower/Surf's Up tip, I would say the former is the better album, while the latter has four or five absolutely AMAZING, PERFECT songs on it with several clunkers packed in. And, I dunno, This Whole World is a pretty amazing song, too. And yes, those are the albums that prove the melodic genius ran through the entirety of the Wilson family, if not the ear for eccentricity and vocal arrangement skills.

Chris O., Wednesday, 26 November 2003 21:46 (twenty years ago) link

On the Sunflower/Surf's Up tip, I would say the former is the better album, while the latter has four or five absolutely AMAZING, PERFECT songs on it with several clunkers packed in.

Pretty much my opinion too.

"Surf's Up" does also have most of its best tracks towards the end btw.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 27 November 2003 00:10 (twenty years ago) link

"A Day in the Life of a Tree" particularly... sublime, moving, odd...
"Til I Die" is great also, though the longer version is better. "Surf's Up" itself; doth it need an introduction, folks? :-)

Tom May (Tom May), Thursday, 27 November 2003 00:23 (twenty years ago) link

eight years pass...

Wasn't sure which of the many Beach Boys threads to put this on, but I figured this wasn't a bad choice. I went to bed last night feeling really sick and feverish and ended up having the wildest fever dreams for most of the night. The only one I vividly remember was when I bumped into this dude at a record store that was telling me about two "lesser known" Beach Boys albums, apparently part of some alternate timeline.

The first was a 1978 album called Runnin' Low which was more in the country/folksy vein, with several of the songs heavily indebted to the "outlaw country" of the era. The second was even weirder, apparently in this universe Dennis didn't drown that fateful night but ended up needing a long time to recuperate and got super into fucked-up synth sounds in the meantime. Somehow he roped the guys into cutting an album that he drove, and the result was 1984's Night Races. The vivid part was the cover art which was sort of like the Trans artwork but more Tron with highly stylized and neon versions of 50s cars. So weird.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago) link

Awesome.

jaymc, Thursday, 9 February 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link

would listen

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 February 2012 22:07 (twelve years ago) link

I have dreams like this all the time, where I'm thumbing through stacks of records that don't exist

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 February 2012 22:08 (twelve years ago) link

yeah. occupational hazard...

Mark G, Thursday, 9 February 2012 23:41 (twelve years ago) link

I have those non-existent record dreams too, but that Beach Boys one sounds like the best ever!

Bloody Snail, Friday, 10 February 2012 00:09 (twelve years ago) link

Wasn't sure which of the many Beach Boys threads to put this on, but I figured this wasn't a bad choice. I went to bed last night feeling really sick and feverish and ended up having the wildest fever dreams for most of the night. The only one I vividly remember was when I bumped into this dude at a record store that was telling me about two "lesser known" Beach Boys albums, apparently part of some alternate timeline.

The first was a 1978 album called Runnin' Low which was more in the country/folksy vein, with several of the songs heavily indebted to the "outlaw country" of the era. The second was even weirder, apparently in this universe Dennis didn't drown that fateful night but ended up needing a long time to recuperate and got super into fucked-up synth sounds in the meantime. Somehow he roped the guys into cutting an album that he drove, and the result was 1984's Night Races. The vivid part was the cover art which was sort of like the Trans artwork but more Tron with highly stylized and neon versions of 50s cars. So weird.

― Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, February 9, 2012 3:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is amazing. somebody needs to make these albums.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 10 February 2012 13:40 (twelve years ago) link

i dream up amazing records sometimes, too. i remember once i happened across some double LP robert wyatt record from the mid-70s that featured the bee gees on vocals. i was so psyched to put that on the turntable, and then i woke up.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 10 February 2012 13:41 (twelve years ago) link

another time i found some box set which was like all of these outside productions sly stone did ca. 1971-73, like five whole LPs by other artists (soul singers, mostly, but a full album by little sister too) plus a bunch of singles. and it was all as dope as there's a riot goin on.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 10 February 2012 13:43 (twelve years ago) link

LOL, just remembered this:

Had a dream which had a Beach Boys album in it last night. I woke up and wrote some of it down, then went back to sleep. It was an eighties album. It had ten tracks on it. The first track was one of their old songs, the second was called something like "Really Back" (referring I take it to the fact that Brian Wilson was back in the band) - it was 0:00 long. What else? Oh they do version of The Who's "Tommy Can You Hear Me?" on there, this is 0:30 long (for some reason the lengths of the songs have stuck in my brain). Fourth track on Side One is an epic, an eight minute track called "The Grand". But there's another 8 minute track which closes the album, this one's called "Coconut Buffin'". Highlight of the album has to be Side two, track one, a collaboration with 70s funk legend Johnny 'Guitar' Watson (and 'his Crew'), a song called "Rain and Shine or 1 of a Git".

― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 11:02 (6 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Great minds dream alike eh?

Charles Kennedy Jumped Up, He Called 'Oh No'. (Tom D.), Friday, 10 February 2012 13:45 (twelve years ago) link

Oh man, I want these to exist. Tom D - You know Brian Wilson has an epic solo song called Rio Grande, right?

Laughing Gravy (dog latin), Friday, 10 February 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link

four years pass...

Listening to some of his compositions just now, I was compelled to google 'bruce johnston conservative' and, well, the results are unsurprising.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Monday, 13 June 2016 16:43 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

Wake the World: The Friends Sessions and I Can Hear Music: The 20/20 Sessions out today and on Spotify

Number None, Friday, 7 December 2018 12:17 (five years ago) link

Very grateful for the combination of time and copyright law essentially forcing these rarities onto the market

doug watson, Friday, 7 December 2018 14:37 (five years ago) link

oh man... wow. do i need to listen to these?? i've barely scraped the surface of the Wild Honey one

Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:13 (five years ago) link

listening to the Friends one now — sounds great! I love this period.

tylerw, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:22 (five years ago) link

oh man I had no idea these were coming out

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:31 (five years ago) link

Is It True What They Say About Dixie (Audree Wilson) [recorded 1968] [Produced by Brian Wilson]

wtf is this

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:32 (five years ago) link

old al jolson number?

lol at the transcendental meditation backing track

tylerw, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:47 (five years ago) link

lol at that track in general

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:58 (five years ago) link

I kinda want these right now but am so far behind the bootleg box set release schedule that I only just now finally copped a copy of the Dylan Cutting Edge box

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:59 (five years ago) link

i'm really curious to hear about that attempted remake of the "friends" album with tandyn almer but i guess that'll be coming along later...

dub pilates (rushomancy), Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:26 (five years ago) link

eight minutes of sessions for "been way too long", i'm down with that!

dub pilates (rushomancy), Saturday, 8 December 2018 02:05 (five years ago) link

Yeah that track is amazing

Οὖτις, Saturday, 8 December 2018 02:09 (five years ago) link

okay the Friends one is great. Some of these compositions are easily on a level with Pet Sounds once you listen to the arrangements.

LOL at the a capella Transcendental Meditation. Sounds like he's singing 'It's Cuuuunt, It's Cuuuunt'

Scritti Vanilli - The Word Girl You Know It's True (dog latin), Saturday, 8 December 2018 13:37 (five years ago) link

gotta say charles manson's input is definitely an improvement on dennis wilson's "peaches" demo

it's great to hear the "passing by" demo with the original lyrics. great harmonies on the alt take too.

overall i think there's definitely more cool stuff on this than there was on "sunshine tomorrow", and i liked "sunshine tomorrow"

dub pilates (rushomancy), Saturday, 8 December 2018 15:09 (five years ago) link

Xmas pressie sorted.

Monica Kindle (Tom D.), Saturday, 8 December 2018 15:44 (five years ago) link

OH SWEET

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 03:26 (five years ago) link

THIS IS AWESOME

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 03:27 (five years ago) link

Yeah i gotta get these

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 03:53 (five years ago) link

hearing 'passing by' with lyrics is breaking my brain

iatee, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 04:09 (five years ago) link

some of these compositions are easily on a level with Pet Sounds once you listen to the arrangements.

damn this is amazing. incredible how deep the Boy's vaults go. Agree w the above, def hear some of these as a real (ignored and underrated) return to form for Brian in terms of the arrangements and melodies.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 19:31 (five years ago) link

The next decade of copyright extension releases is going to be incredible, I hope the laws remain the same

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 19:58 (five years ago) link

Yes, I hadn't even thought of the road to 2024. So much new material possible.

doug watson, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 20:00 (five years ago) link

man, I still really have no idea what Mike Love was thinking with this blasting atonal track about meditation. just... what

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 20:53 (five years ago) link

Think someone recently posted a video compilation of him holding a long nasal “note,” presumably related to his TM practice somehow.

What Do I Blecch? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 21:00 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfilXmU4ReM

Number None, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 21:01 (five years ago) link

hey mike
hold that long nasal note
and let it float

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 21:03 (five years ago) link

The question really shouldn't be "Is there anything worth digging up after Smiley Smile?", more "Is there anything worth digging up after Holland?"

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 21:23 (five years ago) link

I mean, that run of albums from Wild Honey to Holland feature some very good to great stuff. I even prefer Sunflower to Pet Sounds on most days.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 21:27 (five years ago) link

I think they were mostly done after Holland, the occasional great track aside. No, I'm not a fan of Love You.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 21:29 (five years ago) link

"Love You" was a Brian album anyway. They were good for the occasional track after "Holland" but not much more.

It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christ (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 21:32 (five years ago) link

as a whole unit, yeah I think that's generally true

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 21:37 (five years ago) link

Turrican OTM

doug watson, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 21:39 (five years ago) link

Love You is a masterpiece

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:22 (five years ago) link

Love You is ridiculous but fun

frame casual (dog latin), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 00:18 (five years ago) link

15 Big Ones is absolutely dreadful. I don't mind 'Had To Phone Ya' and 'To Song' is silly in a similar way to the stuff on 'Love You' but apart from that it's practically unlistenable. funny that it was touted as a return to form at the time

Love You is moogifried free association craziness, like a totally burnt out Smiley Smile

MIU and LA both have their moments, quite sweet hotch potch albums really.

Keeping The Summer Alive is no masterpiece but it's got enough decent tunes on it to make me put it on occasionally. I like 'Goin' On', 'When Girls Get Together' and 'Endless Harmony'

frame casual (dog latin), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 00:27 (five years ago) link

looks like there's a ton of 1968 live stuff that came out today too ... which is less exciting but hey.

tylerw, Friday, 14 December 2018 16:25 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

I'm on a Beach Boys Discord server (shut up) and they had a Q&A with Mark Linnett and Alan Boyd they other day. Mark revealed this super cool thing about the new "Great Shape" fragment that can be heard at the end of CITFOTM on the Wake The World set:

"its from the Drurrie Parks acetates which ended up with a record dealer who sold them for $10k and wouldn't allow us to have a copy. He played it for me once and I managed to get a part on my cellphone and added to the end of the CIFOTM acetate"

kurt schwitterz, Friday, 1 February 2019 20:56 (five years ago) link

CITFOTM

ok lol this one took even me a second to figure out

Οὖτις, Friday, 1 February 2019 21:01 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

That CITFOTM story is infuriating.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 8 June 2020 04:35 (three years ago) link


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