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also, check out:

Terra Danjah feat. Sadie & Kano - So Sure

more grimette biznazz, luuvverly

― tinman, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 02:52 (twenty years ago) link

cozen send me an email and i'll see what i can do.

― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 08:04 (twenty years ago) link

lovely, thanx.

― glenny g2003 (glenny g2003), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 09:41 (twenty years ago) link

are there, or will there be, any regional variants on grime? or is it/will it remain a london thing?

― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 10:18 (twenty years ago) link

There's macabre unit from somewhere in the midlands i think, they have a big tune called 'Taurus'.

― peckham rye, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 10:37 (twenty years ago) link

DJ Oddz is a grimey Cardiff boy... I think his recent 'Strung Up' did pretty well. But he's working with London folk now.

― Jason J, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 11:20 (twenty years ago) link

yeah macarbre unit have made a little name for themselves although they're not very good. co defendants are from bedford or somehwere like that and are actually fairly good. luton is quite big for grime i think. regional variations exist within london to a certain extent. at least, at lot of the sutff i've heard from north london sounds like demon boyz or gunshot or something. antix from NAA, the wittiest MC in south's biggest crew sounds like he's originally from the midlands, maybe nottingham, is that midlands or more northish?

also, check out:
Terra Danjah feat. Sadie & Kano - So Sure

more grimette biznazz, luuvverly

-- tinman (thismortalsoun...), January 6th, 2004.

did you hear that last night on deja? heard it for the first time myself last night. terre danja's got his own thing. he's very understated. anyone hear what he did to take them out? took all the bombast out, made it quite subtle. i like him, he's different. dj scholar playred the mysterious roll deep track (dizzee/breeze/jamakabi if i remember right)
and a couple of new rapid productions, watch out for the skeleton riddim and they reckon lethal injection will be in the shops soon, with pied piper voals on the bside.

― lex luka, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 11:47 (twenty years ago) link

i like Breeze when he says 'used to get bullied by the white boys/but now you don't wanna fight boys'.

― peckham rye, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 12:32 (twenty years ago) link

are there, or will there be, any regional variants on grime?

There's DJ Gomes in Amsterdam, making tracks and playing out...

― JoB (JoB), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 12:46 (twenty years ago) link

"I'm the Hackney kid, not from Hackney but I hack knees!"

NJ Fever aka Nasty Jack aka The Nasty Gasher!

― tinman, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 15:11 (twenty years ago) link

'think you're a badman cos you got a gun lyric
don't make me tell you a suck your mum lyric'
demon

― lukle, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 15:17 (twenty years ago) link

meridian - "don't fuck around": not so sure i like the slooooowing down thing, but i do like the little kid-shouting-the-title-sample.

skepta/dee/jme - "serious thugs": sounds like some g-funk ripping rnb track circa 95 aka great. ooer ooer.

mark one - "life support": still a sucker for those metropolis spaceship hums after all these years...

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago) link

where did you hear don't fuck around jess?
i didn't think that tune got noticed by anyone, it's fairly old. i was sort of thinking off that, and tunes like that when i said north london keeps making tracks that sound like gunshot or demon boyz.

what you're calling serious thugs is what me and those boys are calling thuggish ruggish, i think it sounds like gfunk as well, and it has a bone thugs and harmony sample on it

― lukle, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, i thought they might be the same track...one of the perils of going by mp3 tags...

i heard "don't fuck around" via the independance website...sadly it's where i have to hear most of this stuff these days.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 15:42 (twenty years ago) link

(better than nothing, obv)

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

thuggish ruggish/serious thugs is pretty much the entire 'thuggish ruggish bone' by bone thugz song cut up a little bit. Quite a strange departure by Skepta really. Fucking love it, although it's made me realise how very few lyrics dee has, i swear i've heard that 'heads get mangled then dangled to the side just like i wear my kangol' on about 5 different recordings. Who is Jamie?

― peckham rye, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:17 (twenty years ago) link

j.me, he is called jamie, but a lot of the time people get confused and call him j.m.e. but it's splet j.me. he's the biggest MC in meridian. he's the one goes
SERIOUS
on all of skeptas tunes.

he's got a lyric something along the lines of
'SERIOUS, don't say SERIOUS, i say SERIOUS, you could never say SERIOUS, i'm too SERIOUS' the way he says serious, is really the justification for his entire existance, cos it is really very good, the way he says that although other than that he's not that great. you can hear him, skepta and the rest of meridian on deja on mondays.

d.e.e does actually have quite a lot of lyrics, i swear, he's even got a big long narrative one about escaping the feds down the a13 into Barking, GANGSTA! but he does use that heads get mangled one quite a lot.

that's my real email address up there. jess and tim finney, if you want to send an email i could send you over a couple of tapes, anyone really but you two especially cos you write about garage and live in faraway lands so you deserve 'em

― luke>, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:37 (twenty years ago) link

jess: it's bone thugs!

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 17:21 (twenty years ago) link

oh shit nevermind there's my attentionspan outed

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 17:23 (twenty years ago) link

re: Wileys new album - adam blade 21st post - 15 Nov 2003 18:11
i dunno wat ur on bout Icerink is a heavy tune! [reply] [Complain about this post]

re: Wileys new album - two step for ever 460th post - 17 Nov 2003 12:35
Just shows how good your knowledge and understanding of garage music and production is. I could fart a better beat out of my ass mate.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 21:11 (twenty years ago) link

Jus' got sent some music on disk of MarkOne/Plasticman productions. No MC but awesome! Also some 2nd II none. TerrorRhythm or HyperDub don't have 'em. Best..I think 'em the next ones. Jess likes 'em, RIGHT? San Francisco doesn't have much a scene or at least I haven't met 'em yet.. I don't even know the track names of what I was anonymously sent.

― cs appleby (cs appleby), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 05:59 (twenty years ago) link

i'll be sharing a good recording of nasty crew's deja set from monday this evening...

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 09:40 (twenty years ago) link

oi toby i didn't listen to that show but my mate took it as evidnce that d double has been kicked out of NASTY. whatd'ya'reckon. did you hear that?

― lukle, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 10:40 (twenty years ago) link

Jammer did imply in his exit interview that some of the MCs were on his side - maybe D.E.E. was too loyal to Jammer?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 11:58 (twenty years ago) link

there is some nasty crew mix cd in rhythm division mixed by marcus nasty that has dee on it, and it has DEE in it. it has only just come out i think so.....

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 12:23 (twenty years ago) link

i've only heard 5 mins of it so far and i'm at work now, but i should be able to have a listen later and let you know...

what's that cd called ambrose? did that nasty show one ever come out??

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 12:53 (twenty years ago) link

ok i found it on their website:

ARTIST : N.A.S.T.Y PRES. MARCUS NASTY 1165
£ 6.80

TITLE : N.A.ST.Y MIX CD
LABEL : WHITE LABEL
MIXED BY MARCUS NASTY, MAC 10 & SYKIK WITH MC'S KANO, GHETTO, SHARKY MAJOR, D DOUBLE E, FOOTSIE & MONKEY

definitely looks worth a punt. i guess it isn't the old nasty show thing cos jammer was on that, wasn't he?

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 12:59 (twenty years ago) link

It would be criminal if The Nasty Show never saw release. My favourite single piece of music of '03 by far.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:10 (twenty years ago) link

theres a track 24 minutes in which is like todd edwards grime, whats this?

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:18 (twenty years ago) link

I don't have the set on the computer I'm on. Does it have any female vocals or do you mean Edwards as in cross-hatched noises?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:19 (twenty years ago) link

"we were always"?

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:22 (twenty years ago) link

Hmm that sounds like Roll Deep's "You Were Always" (female goes "You were always..." and the guys rap the end of the line) - but that's not on the Nasty Crew set!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:25 (twenty years ago) link

oops, sorry, was talking about that ruff sqwad set from dec

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:33 (twenty years ago) link

Is that on-line? It would be "You Were Always" though, as Tinchy Strider from Ruff Sqwad is one of the main MCs on it.

I've yet to hear a Ruff Sqwad track I like as much as "R.U.F.F."

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:37 (twenty years ago) link

it is indeed "you were always". according to martin's wiley interview it's going to be on tinchy's album, if it ever comes out (i don't think he's actually got a record deal).

the ruff squad set's on slsk, tim, sadly i don't have any webspace to put it up (though if you can suggest other ways i can transfer it to you via the internet (is there a possibility with instant messenger stuff?!) i'm happy to).

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 14:40 (twenty years ago) link

Tim have you heard 'Armour'? It's a great mega-widescreen epic Ruff Sqwad orienstrumental sort of like Vice Versa remix and R.U.F.F.

― Keith McD, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 15:29 (twenty years ago) link

i really need to hear the vocal version of armour that i heard last week again.

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 15:33 (twenty years ago) link

plus there's a heartbreaking Foulplayified track in that Ruff Sqwad set on J da Flex. the one where one of them says "Rapid, biggest producer on road!"

― Keith McD, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago) link

Rapid tunes are alot faster and skippier innit.

― peckham rye, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 16:31 (twenty years ago) link

I'm feeling Shifty alot. 'Life in the East is so hard/Anything goes there's no holds barred/One place i feel safe is yard/Enter my yard you will get scarred'.

― peckham rye, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 16:37 (twenty years ago) link

is this your real e-mail address, toby?

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:02 (twenty years ago) link

yes, i'm just lame at replying to emails. your cd will be in the post soon...

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:33 (twenty years ago) link

sorry fr the bother ws just checking you got it ok graffiti seems to be playing up. thanks.

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:41 (twenty years ago) link

christ that ruff squad set from the 22nd is really something.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 January 2004 03:08 (twenty years ago) link

does the "mystery roll deep" track have a name attached to it yet? or a release?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 January 2004 03:10 (twenty years ago) link

haha i looked this thread up and ws just about to ask about the same 'you were always' song (dunno about the mcing but the track is gorgeous, is it an swv sample?) but i see that all happened upthread. wd love to have a proper copy of it, anyone have an mp3?

― minna (minna), Thursday, 8 January 2004 08:34 (twenty years ago) link

ground zero should be on the roll deep album ... check the Wiley hyperdub interview.

― ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Thursday, 8 January 2004 09:07 (twenty years ago) link

the only copies of "you were always" going around (and it's been going around for well over a year!) are radio rips.

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 8 January 2004 10:47 (twenty years ago) link

'you were always-
playing some annoying mental game'

strider, with the best line in the song, i love that bit

― ulke, Thursday, 8 January 2004 10:55 (twenty years ago) link

yes it is an SWV sample. I know this because Wiley plays it on the pirate recording Luke sent me and calls it the SWV riddim (and tells all the ladies to rewind their tape and learn the words, which is funny because Dizzee's verse is pretty damn mysogynistic)

― Keith McD, Thursday, 8 January 2004 11:50 (twenty years ago) link

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wish there was more Run The Roads tbh

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:34 (thirteen years ago) link

like i always enjoyed grime, but not nearly enough to do the actual homework on cobbling all the rando singles and YouTubes and radio shows that fueled it.

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Does Spotify work in the US yet? There are a load of grime playlists on there, although that's obviously a bit selective.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link

i wish the bit from Lord of the Decks w/ d double e riding his moped around Newham was on youtube. classic material

― missingNO, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link

"how has this aged for yall half a decade later?"

High points of grime (of which "Pow" was one) still sound really good to me.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Admittedly I probably (like with jungle, garage, well anything UK continuum related) have way way too many discs which lean more toward the mediocre than the sublime, but that's sort of how this works isn't it?

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:57 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm really excited by stuff going on here atm.
Marger & Rival were set to be a major team, - as demonstrated by this absolute boy of a first set on Logan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPu9qfB0EIg

but now Margs has gone ego nuts & has basically told Rival to go home and get his fuckin shinebox- "sent to the shop, sent to the shop, Rival use to get sent to the shop". The dub also featured a little send for MIK, who's certainly got a reply. It's not likely Rival will reply- he seems really upset on Twitter.

Instrumentals are v. v. strong at the minute. I love the Spartan meme. the newest remix basically made me dash all my stuff across the room:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrfR2KajeY0

these are all amazing in sets:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsEiFZjcvr0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V7LTQ-fd8c

Oil Gang, Butterz & Pitch Controllers are now doing the releases thing properly, which is great to see.

Trim is back at his best after being in a weird memory crisis last year. It seems that war keeps him going:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzoaHrMYj3s

Chronik is out of jail, and sounds terrifying these days, and of course Wiley after the avalanche of new music last year has reached an apex of creative zen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZGON32Agu0

― boss margins, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link

marcus nasty needs to slap kano's mum again for that fw2011 verse. "oh what big bars you have!" guhhhh

― r|t|c, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link

teefed vybz kartel lyrics too

― r|t|c, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Also, Flockaveli is basically a grime album.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 13:38 (1 hour ago) Bookmark

good opinion, count me in

― r|t|c, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link

giggs has done 'hard in da paint' iirc

huzzah

― r|t|c, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link

logan sama's aaa rwd mix was my fav grime artifact from back when i used to check for this stuff. so well balanced. but its been since lost to the mists of hard drive failure. can anyone up that?

― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link

lol at that trim track, good stuff.

― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link

speaking of giggs & waka flocka- not really sure whats up with this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv9LF3bgAoU

Footsie recently released a free d/l which is absolutely amazing. there's gotta be a hidden wealth of his own productions w/ d double over them.
http://www.newhamgenerals.com/2010/12/23/footsie-rastaman-pickney-ep-click-cover-to-download-for-free/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq5uXJ8JzcU

anyone have an opinion on who's versioned the best wooo riddim? probs best to discount d double from this..

― boss margins, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link

cheers boss.

― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link

midlands hype. stay fresh being the big collective:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98Uf3SEy1co&feature=channel

that footage is taken from a series of nights tim & barry put on which were streamed live. these were so, so, so much fun to watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1ArAoAgyrQ

more new dash your stuff instrumentals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ljw8mmM3IY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwwEQxaB3oE&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXNZ1EluxTM&feature=related

― boss margins, Thursday, 13 January 2011 02:04 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEPtRRc0zy0&feature=player_embedded

― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Thursday, 3 February 2011 14:24 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5ow9Cnnjeg

― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Thursday, 24 February 2011 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcBPJXhf9wE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHHonkjH6M0

― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Thursday, 3 March 2011 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqWKf3k53As&feature=related

― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Thursday, 3 March 2011 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link

five months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3l-CjJn1ic

― Patrice Leclerc Delacroix Poussin (admrl), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

four weeks pass...

This is so good/fun - Logan Sama KISS PRESENTS ft. Trim, Obese, Discarda, Nico Lindsay & Big Narstie

― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

christ that ruff squad set from the 22nd is really something.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, January 8, 2004 3:08 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It really was something, as was the one from the 29th - I guess these are Ruff Sqwad sets on Deja Vu from 22nd/29th December 2003.

Unfortunately, I lost my copies about 7 years ago, and all I can find online is 16 mins of the 29th December set. Does anyone still have them??

― toby, Friday, 7 December 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link

Speaking of http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/dec/06/a-history-of-grime

― pandemic, Friday, 7 December 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link

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