Do we like the Scissor Sisters?

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Ned,

'Crying At The Discotheque'
'Sexual Guarantee'
'This Is A World We Live In'
'Physical'

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Also Old Fart! I am neither cliched nor indie!!!!
Well, "people buy Scissor Sisters records because they are stupid and lazy and think that doing a disco cover of a Pink Floyd song constitutes adventurous new music whereas they are simply gentrified bourgeois corporate gutrot packaged by Polygram to look new. " does bear resemblence to a pretty cliched "idiotic masses enslaved by the corporate capitalists" type rant beloved of certain died-in-the-wool indie fans!!!!
So you can understand my confusion!!!!!
― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

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― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I like disco if it's got good basslines. That's the only excuse for disco that I can see. Their basslines are tedious.

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:05 (nineteen years ago) link

fair enough, perhaps you shouldn't bother speaking about disco then.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Have you heard "Monkey Baby", Kate? Actually scratch that, that's tailor-made to be the type of thing you'd hate.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link

But disco is ALL ABOUT THE BASS. If you don't have a good bassline, you don't have dance music, and you don't have disco.

Scissor Sisters aren't shit *because* they are disco, they just are BAD disco.

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

'Filthy Gorgeous' has a great bassline. it depends what you want tho i suppose. obv. we're not talking Chic genius pop sensibility or production talent, but then Chic can be pretty tedious themselves at times.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link

yes Comfortably Numb doesn't sound like any disco or house does it, nor Moroder/Frankie Knuckles, nobody!

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Disco is surely not all about the bass - i can't recall 'Can You Feel It' having a particularly good bassline, but it's still amazing

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link

did Deee-Lite get shit from people at the time for lazily ripping Herbie Hancock and just hollering over the top?

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:14 (nineteen years ago) link

THERE IS AN ALCAZAR VERSION OF SEXUAL GUARANTEE?! WHY WASN'T I INFORMED OF THIS?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Disco doesn't necessarily have to have that octave-hopping, leaping about Chic basslines (that I actually love and appreciate) - there are other ways of bass being good, being solid, being 3-dimensional.

I don't hear that in SS.

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Marcello was right up thread though - all these Scissor Sister fans are moving ILM a little to the right.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Matt, what other versions of 'Sexual Guarantee' are there?

Bass is not the problem at all with the Siz, jeez

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:18 (nineteen years ago) link

No, it's not *the* problem with SS. It's one of the MANY problems with them.

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

'Crying At The Discotheque'
'Sexual Guarantee'
'This Is A World We Live In'
'Physical'

Hahaha, this band was tailor made for me from the titles alone!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

get a better stereo Kate

this argument can't continue if it's just going to amount to 'yes it is/no it isn't' status tho

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, maybe the song I'm thinking of was Alcazar all along without me noticing. Maybe I just assumed it was a timeless pop classic all along.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

how can you possibly compare disco, a massive genre encompassing great musicians, scorching vocalists and production geniuses, with the turgid work of one overhyped, underperforming band? thread is now officially mental.

― stelfox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

(i do also realise that disco emcompassed an awful lot of shit, too)

― stelfox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link

because the Scissor Sisters obviously love disco and incorporate aspects of it into their tracks, 'Comfortably Numb' and 'Filthy/Gorgeous' the prime examples. is that really so difficult to comprehend?

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

that said, the amount i am bothering to defend them does not equate with the amount i actually like them (which is a fair amount but hardly fanboy).

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i think it would be better to be more specific.

― stelfox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, like I said on that other thread that withered and died, the sheer volume of my hatred has little to do with the insipid mild turgicity of their music, so obviously the amount I am bothering to attack them says more about me (and ILM) than about them...

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link

And nothing said here today has convinced me that the antipathy is anything but a kneejerk to the praise.

(xpost)

come on, 'Filthy/Gorgeous' reeks of Sylvester, call it karaoke/cabaret if you want, i don't find that a problem, it strikes me as a competent stab at apeing the style irrespective of the fact there is no large black T.V. fronting it

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

obv. the disco genre itself reflects a thin spectrum at which perhaps Moroder and the darker Italo stuff are at one end and the more cheesy stuff (Bee Gees, yer man Sylvie) at the other

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I must just be responding to "praise" because I have no musical taste of my own, and I'm incapable of disliking something or forming my own opinions just because it doesn't conform to my own tastes and expectations of pop.

I don't know how many times I have to state that I dislike them because I don't like their music. I HATE them because I'm overexposed to them. I admit that, but it doesn't negate the fact that I really don't like their music.

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyway, this has all been very fun, but I'm off to rehearsal now...

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

but it seems you only feel you have to speak out about hating their music so much because you've had trouble avoiding them so much

it's just that when you (not YOU) get to actually criticising the ethos, or the music itself, it always seems to revolve around 'they think they're sooooo cooooool, but i know better, i remember when this stuff actually was new!' which is fair enough but a little tiresome to hear every time someone comes out with a record unasbashed in revivalism (goes for 'Is This It' too i guess). people have different ideas of what constitutes good party music but ignoring snobby pretensions, this stuff fits the bill just fine.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't like them because they dsound like Elton John, and lots of other music I really really don't like. The ridiculous hype merely serves as the ketchup on the chips of criticism.

also I hate fun, obv

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Let us take the 'hate fun' meme out back and kindly and sweetly club it over the head with a shovel.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

i hate the scissor sisters' music, i hate the dull jaded camp, i the fact that they're touted as being great when they're merely tolerable. i hate the fact that people ask me to play their stuff when i dj because they don't know any better.

― stelfox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:42 (nineteen years ago) link

and they are not fun. they are bland and annoying.

― stelfox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:42 (nineteen years ago) link

ooh snippy Ned!

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link

The whole point of the "hate fun" meme is that it's annoying. That's what it's there for.

I have nothing to say about the SS. I've only heard that one song about taking your mom out. I thought it was ok but pretty repetitive.

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link

did this band scrub the nu-metal guitar approach? Because when I saw them like 2 years ago that was one of the main things about their sound that annoyed me.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:46 (nineteen years ago) link

There is no fucking hype about the Scissor Sisters, for christ's sake! Or if there was it ended long ago.

And if people can't see that their version of "Comfortably Numb" is a disco/house record then I'm utterly amazed. Listen to the fucking thing!

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

it's a shit record - listen to the fucking thing!

― stelfox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

whether you like it or not doesn't matter, the point is it fits into disco/house sets just fine, I can't help but feel the baggage the Scissor Sisters image and it being a Pink Floyd song bring are muddying the waters here.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

whether you like it or not doesn't matter

i didn't see the thread title reading "do we like the scissor sisters? (apart from stelfox and carlin because their opinions really don't matter)"

― stelfox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I meant in the context of the argument on the thread here, I am pointing out that it is a disco/house record, regardless of peoples feelings on it one way or another.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:11 (nineteen years ago) link

surely that should be 'rogering the waters', ahahahaha

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

oh it's a disco record yes, but a disco version of a terrible song, so it's really horrible. On the focus group that never was I gave it 0+joker

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link

At this point, is there anything more boring than people complaining that stuff from _The Wall_ is the worst music ever? (hyperbole acknowledged)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Their version of FF's 'Take Me Out' is one of the worst things I have ever heard. It should be enough to convince anyone that the Scissor Sisters are very, very bad indeed.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Although to be fair the FF cover sounds nothing at all like anything else they've ever done...it's essentially a novelty.

― nameom (nameom), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm sorry I'm boring you Dan, but I honestly really don't like it. (I do like some Pink Floyd mind you, just not that song, it always annoyed me - but then so do a lot of things right now)

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

It's okay, I'm a benevolent narcissist.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

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