― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
Tim, yeah, as soon as I typed that I did think, 'oh, Fischerspooner.'
― scott pl. (scott pl.), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:18 (twenty-one years ago) link
...which is still wrong.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:26 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:31 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 25 September 2003 12:41 (twenty-one years ago) link
― s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 25 September 2003 13:01 (twenty-one years ago) link
I can't help but smile...
― johnypants, Thursday, 25 September 2003 13:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mcwop23, Thursday, 25 September 2003 14:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 25 September 2003 14:33 (twenty-one years ago) link
UPDATE: DAMN YOU JORDAN!!!! NOBODY steals my lame replies!
― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Thursday, 25 September 2003 14:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
(or else i'll start thinking i'm losing my touch)
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 25 September 2003 14:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 25 September 2003 16:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Brooke Hardy, Thursday, 25 September 2003 17:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 25 September 2003 17:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 25 September 2003 17:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 25 September 2003 17:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Thursday, 25 September 2003 19:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
For what it's worth, Ott probably turned a couple kids onto Ministry. For that I can forgive most any flaws.
― ben welsh (benwelsh), Thursday, 25 September 2003 19:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark e (mark e), Friday, 26 September 2003 08:08 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Daron Gardner (Daron Gardner), Friday, 26 September 2003 18:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
To ‘clear that up,’ in August, PFM had more unique hits than Spin has monthly subscribers. (But this, of course, does not mean that PFM has more readers because that stat doesn’t take into account Spin’s newsstand sales, comp list recipients, and that multiple ppl read each circulated copy of a magazine.)
― scott pl. (scott pl.), Friday, 26 September 2003 18:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
The website I work for gets around 20 million unique hits a month. And it has around 6 million users a month. Big difference.
― auditor, Friday, 26 September 2003 19:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Andy Beckerman, Friday, 26 September 2003 19:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― auditor, Friday, 26 September 2003 19:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― scott pl. (scott pl.), Friday, 26 September 2003 19:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
― chuck, Friday, 26 September 2003 20:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Friday, 26 September 2003 20:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
No, of course not. I'm not trying to manipulate these numbers to 'prove' PFM is bigger than Spin, just explaining in the face of this confusion and derision the root of that claim (and why, yes, it is flawed). (And I'm probably being defensive in the process, but I personally don't find anything healthy about these sorts of pissing contests. I'm more than happy to defend the site when I think it's being unfairly characterized, but floating misinformation as proof of PFM's size and 'superiority,' I don't find to be helpful to altering the site's image. That's not meant to be a slight toward Chris. We just approach things differently.)
― scott pl. (scott pl.), Friday, 26 September 2003 22:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Vic (Vic), Friday, 26 September 2003 22:27 (twenty-one years ago) link
― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 26 September 2003 22:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 27 September 2003 14:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
For the record, I want it to be known he singlehandedly makes me ashamed to write for the site. Sure, Ryan's opinions can make me shudder, but Ryan is a great, funny guy. Ott's incapable of holding a civil conversation. He loves to insult you, then come back for a big hug of "aww, I'm just kidding. I just like to rile." He loves that word "rile."
― brent_D, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 01:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 01:58 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:06 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:07 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:07 (twenty years ago) link
His writing has such a boner to be British.
― Carey (Carey), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:09 (twenty years ago) link
(and hitchens)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:17 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:21 (twenty years ago) link
― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:23 (twenty years ago) link
― scott seward, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 02:37 (twenty years ago) link
― scott pl. (scott pl.), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 03:30 (twenty years ago) link
("who i want to meet: fewer people. interests: hating people, making enemies"), so i guess thats all quite sweet really, if a little try hard
hes a friend of maura too, is everyone in the world a friend of maura?
― ... (gareth), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 06:00 (twenty years ago) link
I gotta say, I think Ott's stuff withstands these criticisms for the most part. My sense has always been that he's insightful and I think the notion that he's contemptuous of his audience is a red herring. I think he's just deeply invested, and I don't mean in persona or cred or any of that, I mean in music. There's room for disagreement, but the premise of most of these criticisms seems to be that disagreement vitiates the exercise.
Hey, but that's just me. I realize the furor has died down but I'm surprised to see that it once was so ... furious.
― smarty mcsmartyson, Tuesday, 30 September 2003 16:05 (twenty years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 18:43 (twenty years ago) link
― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Tuesday, 30 September 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link