Van Halen Album Covers and Questions We May Have Abou them....

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the video for "I'll Wait" was actually a Nam June Paik installation at the Rhode Island School of Design - VH was sort of flirting with high-culture approval at the time. The whole thing was a complete failure though and it took Paik's career several years to recover

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 19 June 2004 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

wait I'm sorry I think I just made that shit up for no reason at all. fuck.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 19 June 2004 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

i used to pore over the covers with my best friend rob morlock..we would hightail it back to our room and get out the magnifying glass..I still remember my mother banishing the helmut newton/david in chains poster to my closet cuzz she thought it was too offensive for my room

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Saturday, 19 June 2004 23:25 (nineteen years ago) link

where the white stripes got their aesthetic:
http://www.diverdowntribute.com/covers/diverdown.gif

Heh, Saturday, 19 June 2004 23:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember the big deal among us VH boosters being the use of the synth
It WAS a big deal. I interviewed Eddie several years ago, when I was but a wee lad. I loved his quote about the synth. Actually, that was one of my favorite interviews ever. What a cool guy.
Here it is if you care:
http://www.michaeldeeds.com/cgi-bin/getPage?features/eddievanhalen.html

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Sunday, 20 June 2004 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Van Halen III has a bad cover, but the worst cover by far is this:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002MUQ.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

This cover just hollers: WARNING! IMPENDING SUCKITUDE!

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Sunday, 20 June 2004 05:47 (nineteen years ago) link

wait I'm sorry I think I just made that shit up for no reason at all. fuck.

Haha.

Fun interview, Mr. Deeds. Wonder what he would say these days.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 20 June 2004 05:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, the cover for Balance looks like something even Queensryche would've vetoed.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 20 June 2004 13:41 (nineteen years ago) link

The video in my mind for "I'll Wait" is of a hotel swimming pool that my family was staying at.. for some reason we had it all to ourselves one day and the hotel was blasting music from somewhere.. I was diving off this little concrete platform covered with fake grass, which had become squelchy and ratty and gave off a musty smell, into this clear cool water, over and over again, my father and mother reading in their deck chairs, my sister splashing about with her toys. I heard the line "are you for real, it's so hard to tell... from just a magazine" and thought about the Playboys that me and my best friend Josh had found in a wooden box near his house.. further mysteries.. the synths didn't seem odd or new or strange to me, it just sounded the way "modern rock" ought to sound

a year and a half ago i found "I'll Wait" in Gimme Gimme records, as an EXTENDED single, which as far as i could tell just meant a longer keyb intro

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 20 June 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow. I cannot remember the last time I heard "I'll Wait". I worried that if I suddenly played it, I'd be teleported in time back to my junior year of high school. Great plangent opening synths, I don't care what anyone says.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 20 June 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm downloading it right now. I can barely remember it. "Jump"-esque in its synths?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 21 June 2004 01:33 (nineteen years ago) link

From alt.music.van-halen:

...pick up where VOA and NSGB left off and ROCK LIKE HELL!! shove some serious wailin down faggit eddie's skinny throat! SAMMY RULES, FUCK EDDIE AND FUCK ROTH!!

...Billy Corgan is a faget with no talent!!! "Those little white lies are gonna come back and haunt you"-Sammy Hagar

...DAMN CJ YOU REALLY DO GIVE DAVE'S NUT A JOB!!!!! UMMMM
WELL THAT MAKE'S A NOTHER DAVID LEE FAGOT ROTH FAN

...I could care less what happens to this band because I definitely won't go to any of their concerts to hear some fagget sing my fav VH songs.

There you go, Ned: Four different posters, four alternate spellings of the pejorative "faggot"! I can only assume they'd have an even harder time spelling your surname properly!


Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, I'm used to that by now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 June 2004 02:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Wait, "I'll Wait" is coming back to me now...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 21 June 2004 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link

drop dead legs > top jimmy!

mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 21 June 2004 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link

In fourth grade, we'd all mimic the drum introduction of "Hot for Teacher" by moving a pencil up and down rapidly across the spiral wire binding of our notebooks.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 21 June 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Hahahahaa....we used to mimic the sound of turn-table scratching on the covers of old text books.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 June 2004 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

house of pain > drop dead legs > top jimmy

No, I take that back. I love every song on the album equally...as if they were my children.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 21 June 2004 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

"Jump" — C/D?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 21 June 2004 17:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic, duh. Is the mix of the song used in the video available in any audio form? There's some DLR ad-lib vocals after the guitar solo in the video that are missing from the album version.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Monday, 21 June 2004 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link

two things i know for sure:

1) drop dead legs is the best song on 1984.

2) david lee roth >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sammy hagar

tk, Monday, 21 June 2004 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

some DLR ad-lib vocals after the guitar solo in the video that are missing from the album version.

Ooooooh, I'm not the only one to have noticed this. When the video for "Jump" first debuted on MTV, that part where DLR adlibs was silent. A product of bad video editing, it just showed him yelling into the camera with no sound coming out of his mouth. Later, they dubbed some vocals in there to make that sequence not seem so awkward. So the "mix" that you're talking about is just the regular "Jump" with some crazy yelling tacked on for about two seconds.

I still swear up and down that I saw a version of The Cars' "You Might Think" video where at the end, instead of pulling off his face and a waterfall coming out of his head with the rest of the band rafting out on a bar of soap, Ric Ocasek just put his hand back down and lipsynched half-heartedly the rest of the song before just giving up and smiling as the music played out. RAW VIDEOS!

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Monday, 21 June 2004 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

HOT FOR TEACHER is the greatest song on MCMVXXXIV, sorry tk. The beginning drum bit alone is so great, and sounds so THICK. And the guitar when the drums kick out right before the groove - matchless. My junior high school yearbook quote is from this song - 'Aw man, I think the clock is slow...'

Was it illusion? (calstars), Monday, 21 June 2004 20:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Ok, "I'll Wait" is the shit. How did these guys actually pull off this synth shit? Was it some kind of magic in those suspended chords? David Lee Roth's tight multitracked harmonies? The bass throb? Fuck me, but this sounds the fucking band who should have (as Robert Christgau once said, I believe) been the biggest band of the 80s.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 03:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought they were!
(Biggest American band, anyways)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I was gonna say, if they weren't the biggest band in 1984 itself in America, who was? The other monsters of that year were all solo or clear bandleaders -- Prince, Brooooce, Madonna, etc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 04:20 (nineteen years ago) link

U2 clearly ended up as such in the decade...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 11:32 (nineteen years ago) link

U2 = Biggest American Band of the '80s? Well, after that trip to Graceland and all...

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 11:35 (nineteen years ago) link

the secret was in the drums. They could have done anything they wanted and still sounded amazing just so long as 1) they didn't replace Roth with some third-rate seventies has-been and 2) they didn't mess with the drums.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 11:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, Alex's stroke of genius (I can't believe I just said that) was to take the snare wires off for that song, it's just a big hollow THWOCK.. and of course the Miami Vice style roto-timbale action for the breaks.. Cooper and Burnett here we come!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 13:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Shit, I am going to have to dig this out now.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 18:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I dug it out last night, and Alex: I was JAMMING.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 18:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I just imported all six remastered CDs onto my work hard drive this very morning. I play 'em on shuffle, just like I do with the Citizen Steely Dan box, and I'm never disappointed.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 18:17 (nineteen years ago) link

So say Greg Prato of AMG: "Van Halen's 1984 is arguably the best and most defining rock release of the '80s."

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Can someone please confirm that the drums at the beginning of "Hot for Teacher" are meant to sound like an idling "hog" and/or "chopper," perhaps the kind ridden by a chaps-wearing Diamond Dave to a strip club or aerobics class or place of worship?

Hammy (hammy), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I always thought they were just Alex VH's way of demonstrating his flashy rhythmic prowess.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Just dug out my cassette (remember those?) of 1984 and woke the infant with a rousing airing of "I'll Wait," and by gum I must say --- `TIS VERILY THE SHIT!!!

I really miss this band (i.e. Van Halen with DLR as a going concern).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Those DRUMS!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm sayin', man!

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 21:55 (nineteen years ago) link

But grand as the drums are, is it still a weird second single from the album or not?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember finding "I'll Wait" very creepy at the time (didn't know the term "stalker," but that was definitely the impression I got from the lyrics, and still do - anybody remember that movie The Fan, with Michael Beihn wanting to lust-kill Lauren Bacall?) (or was it Lauren Hutton?).

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 22:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I've heard "I'll Wait" on the radio a couple times in the last year, it's not totally forgotten.

I'm not a big fan of it though. I'm with the John D ("Panama" & "Hot For Teacher," fuck the rest) crew.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 22:51 (nineteen years ago) link

No one's slighting those songs -- "Panama" and "Hot For Teacher" are both classics. But I'll put it out there: NOTHING else in pop sounds like "I'll Wait".

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 23:08 (nineteen years ago) link

NOTHING!

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 23:09 (nineteen years ago) link

"In The Dark" by Billy Squier?

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 23:13 (nineteen years ago) link

NOTHING!

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 23:13 (nineteen years ago) link

But grand as the drums are, is it still a weird second single from the album or not?

I didn't think it ever was a single, was it?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 23:15 (nineteen years ago) link

"I'll Wait" didn't have a video. I remember it being big news back in 6th grade or whatever when Kurt Loder or the other guy (this was B.T., "Before Tabitha") announced that Van Halen would not make a video for their single "I'll Wait".

wetmink (wetmink), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link

b-b-b-but they made'em for "Hot for Teacher" and "Panama"!!!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 23:18 (nineteen years ago) link

My friend used to dive into the pool a la Eddie dangling from the wire in the "Panama" video...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link

>Another thing: was he always talkative and sort of...intellectually aspiring?

You need to read Crazy From The Heat NOW.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Crazy From the Heat = TEH AWESOME

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I swore the 1984 vinyl LP credited names other than Van Halen.. the CD credits the band though.

Da Na Not! (donut), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link

The CD certainly credits Michael McDonald for "I'll Wait" though. Shine sweet freedom!

Da Na Not! (donut), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 21:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Ooh I hope that shows up on the next episode of Yacht Rock!

Petroski (petroski), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 01:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Well I'll be danged.
I'll Wait (4:41) -
"I'll Wait" was a synthesizer-driven song co-written by Van Halen and former Doobie Brother Michael McDonald. Dave and Ted wanted this song kept off the album, but Edward and Donn pushed for it. This song is about the girl wearing men's underwear in a Calvin Klein advertisement. Roth tacked the picture next to his Sony Trinitron TV and wrote the lyrics to her.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 05:25 (eighteen years ago) link

This whole fucking website is amazing:
1984 (1:07) -
"1984" was Eddie's improvised keyboard introduction to "Jump." It was originally over 30 minutes long and titled by Valerie Bertinelli.
The voice of Waldo in the "Hot for Teacher" video was PHIL HARTMAN.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 05:27 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.van-halen.com/newsite/rhrn_album.gif

photograph was taken by one of my college professors! there were two lawsuits involved with the image.

the first was between the photog and record label. apparently they never received permission to use it in the first place [a designer ripped it out of some magazine/book and scanned it in]. the second lawsuit involved the family who lived in the destroyed home, who apparently didnt want it plastered all over the world and claimed they never signed release forms. i believe their case was eventually dropped.

mts (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 05:36 (eighteen years ago) link

never underestimate an arpegio .

retrogurl, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 05:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Eruption (1:42)
"Eruption" was one of Eddie's warm-up exercises. Ted Templeman was so impressed when he heard it, he told Ed to record it for the album. He did it in one take and to this day, he explains that he didn't play it well and made a glaring mistake. The long decending growl at the end was created using a Univox EC-80 echo unit housed in an old WWII practice bomb that Ed found in a junkyard.

retrogurl, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 05:40 (eighteen years ago) link

doesn't "i'll wait " remind you of genesis - "abacab" ?
i was dominated by a dominant chord then raped by a crotchet.

retrogurl, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 05:47 (eighteen years ago) link

doesn't "i'll wait " remind you of genesis - "abacab" ?

maybe not the song "abacab" but definitely that era of genesis.

Shelly Winters Death Clip (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 06:22 (eighteen years ago) link

He looks like a late-model drawing of Doyle from the "Love and Rockets" comic.

HAHAHAHA!!! Too true.

sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 07:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm still tickled, imagining Eddie Van Halen cornering Valerie Bertanelli in his studio and forcing her to listen to thirty minutes of synthesizer noodling.

Val finally comes back with her judgement: Cut the thing to a minute and call it "1984".

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link

doesn't "i'll wait " remind you of genesis - "abacab" ?
maybe not the song "abacab" but definitely that era of genesis.

-- Shelly Winters Death Clip (theundergroundhom...), March 8th, 2006.
did van halen do prog-art ?
yeah i meant the sound and chords , not the melody.it sounds like "sarah jane" too.

retrogurl, Thursday, 9 March 2006 08:06 (eighteen years ago) link

nine months pass...
I'm betting that the new Van Halen bass player will be on the cover of the next album.

Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Friday, 5 January 2007 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link

way up at the top, that's not a map of the USA, that's a map of ROCKING OUT.

m0stly clean (m0stly clean), Friday, 5 January 2007 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link

three years pass...

All I've listened to today is Van Halen; on my second run-through of the DLR6 and nearly ready to start my third. They are just owning my ass. So good.

The little "ooh" right before the first verse in "Hot For Teacher" is perfect. Dave's little exhortations are the key to enlightenment.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 21 January 2010 20:54 (fourteen years ago) link

Hmm, yeah, parts of it anyway. The upper left part of the Fair Warning sleeve doesn't match that portion of the painting. Still very cool though.

you gone float up with it (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 21 January 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link

four years pass...
four years pass...

I picked up a vinyl 1984 last weekend with an upside down back cover. Just glanced at discogs, doesn't appear to be a common error (unlike Workingman's Dead). Not valuable or anything at least.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 18 April 2019 23:24 (five years ago) link


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