Seriously, is there anything better than the Pet Shop Boys?

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I'm curious, what were their demographic fan base in the 80s/early 90s? And how many albums did they roughly sell?

Lovelace (Lovelace), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 11:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Speaking for the UK, I'd say the 80s demographic had changed quite a lot even by the early 90s. Originally they were a mainstream pop band with very broad appeal. I'd say all sorts of people bought Please and Actually. The indie crowd and rock critics were generally pretty sniffy about them, though they became less so, sort of embarrassedly admitting that 'Rent' was a pretty great song (I remember John Peel doing this after one of his kids had it on a tape for one of their family holidays). Then Neil Tennant got involved with Electronic as all sorts of barriers started shifting post-acid house/Madchester etc.

By the early-mid 90s, they had very much moved away from the pop spotlight, at least the teen audience one. They still had Top 20 hits, but they were more fan-bought rather than long-staying top 10 blockbusters, with the odd novelty-led exception like 'Go West'.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 11:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Another reason I think they moved from the mainstream pop spotlight was the shift in chart pop fashions. When they first hit the scene, pop was still in a post-New Romantic phase where singer-songwritten flighty, odd lyrics were the norm even among teen acts (Duran Duran, Spandau Ballet etc). Stock, Aitken & Waterman's dominance from 1987 onwards saw all that swept away, towards more straightforward boy-girl love songs written by professional songwriters and performed by photogenic young acts. The Pet Shop Boys obviously didn't fit in with that trend.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 11:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks for schooling me, Alba.

But....where they liked by the enlightened pop connoisseurs in the 80s? You know, the type who flock this place ;) Or perhaps those kind of people didnt exist then?

Lovelace (Lovelace), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 11:39 (eighteen years ago) link

They did, but they were in hiding.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 11:43 (eighteen years ago) link

(I'm talking late 80s - I was too young to be aware of the pro-pop Morley NME school of earlier, or to know how wide their influence was felt. Or maybe I just happened to be hanging out with too many rockists)

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 11:46 (eighteen years ago) link

'Opportunities' got a lot of airplay on the small Twin Cities station I listened to when it was first released in 1985. There was a certain framing of PSBs as 'the Smiths you can dance to' amongst the sort of people who had an inkling of who they were before 1986 and this was absolutely down to the lyrical themes - where love has to by necessity be unrequited for whatever reason. What's also true is they liked electro and synth and wanted to be a Pop Group, not a Band. There was plenty of evidence of aspirations to culture even then, also a huge queer/left-of-centre fanbase from the sort of people who liked, say, Soft Cell and wanted to wear red lipstick to nightclubs.

suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:12 (eighteen years ago) link

wanted to be a Pop Group, not a Band

http://www.ondarock.it/photo/Popgroup.gif

vs.

http://bobdylan.50g.com/the_band.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Which actually isn't all that removed from the truth.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:19 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually is fucking brilliant. Even the songs that shouldn't work ("Shopping", "Hit Music") do.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:22 (eighteen years ago) link

i really must listen to the recent stuff more.

what's stunning Dan is how your opinion of PSB stuff is so spot on with mine, and yet wrt NewOrder we're at odds about half the time. odds in a good way of course.

Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:31 (eighteen years ago) link

(should check on ilm more often)

is ILM still defined as the board that likes MBV and PSBs? or is it now pavement?

Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I WOULD HOPE THE FORMER.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:34 (eighteen years ago) link

The way I approach music is on some level completely orthoganol to almost every other music lover I've encountered. It's kind of disconcerting; I think there's... not something wrong with me, but something deeply bizarre in exactly how much joy I get out of what most people would consider to be clinical analysis, let alone the fact that I apply it to EVERYTHING.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:41 (eighteen years ago) link

(Haha I feel like starting a "What is the correct way to appreciate New Order?" thread now)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link

ILM faves: MIA, Pink Floyd

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:44 (eighteen years ago) link

The "smiths you can dance to" line was the PSB's own, from (I think) Record Mirror.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:48 (eighteen years ago) link

MIA, Pink Floyd. i'm still ilm then. roxor ;-)

Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:00 (eighteen years ago) link

If you glance at the other Bilboard #1's of 1986, "West End Girls" really sticks out. It sounds simultaneously of its time and out of time. That's why I asked a few weeks ago if serious record buyers (proto-ILMers, I guess) thought they were just, in Tennant's words, "another nauseating English synth-pop duo" or the makings of something special. After all, the mid '80s charts were full of wonderful one-off's.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link

I actually didn't like "West End Girls" that much until I listened to the lyrics; the juxtaposition of lyrical despair with lounge cool was what finally sold me on it.

Conversely, the slamming bombast of "Opportunites" clicked with me from the get-go and the wistful charms of "Love Comes Quickly" made me a complete believer.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:04 (eighteen years ago) link

(The incorrigibly orthoganol Dan Perry.)

I remember one of my mates (a fellow American--I woould never really use "mate," obviously), a pen-pal really, who I discussed music with a lot, liking the Pet Shop Boys a lot in the 80s; and he was a bit of an "enlightened pop listener" or whatever the phrase was above. I honestly can't remember what they sound like, but I don't think they'd be my type of music anyway, especially now. Sorry about the syntax.

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:20 (eighteen years ago) link

he juxtaposition of lyrical despair with lounge cool was what finally sold me on it.

see: Steely Dan

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link

BINGO

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
REVIVE!

Just for Dan, what do we all think of the Swe-pop cover of "Domino Dancing" done by PSB cover band "West End Girls"

Forthcoming singles by them will be "The Sound of the Atom Splitting" and "How I Learned To Hate Rock'n'Roll". No, I just made that up.

MP3 is here:
http://home.iprimus.com.au/edwardo/nodelete/domino.zip

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 6 October 2005 02:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I love it, but then again I think "Domino Dancing" is pretty fantastic anyway.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 6 October 2005 03:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Does someone have a copy of "You onlytell me you love me when you're drunk" to ysi?

dar1a g (daria g), Thursday, 6 October 2005 05:11 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
To get back to the original question, let me think for a bit...

darin (darin), Thursday, 16 March 2006 08:16 (eighteen years ago) link

clean sheets

darin (darin), Thursday, 16 March 2006 08:16 (eighteen years ago) link

new tires

darin (darin), Thursday, 16 March 2006 08:16 (eighteen years ago) link

corn on the cob

darin (darin), Thursday, 16 March 2006 08:17 (eighteen years ago) link

tax returns

darin (darin), Thursday, 16 March 2006 08:17 (eighteen years ago) link

cheap wine

darin (darin), Thursday, 16 March 2006 08:29 (eighteen years ago) link

naps

darin (darin), Thursday, 16 March 2006 08:30 (eighteen years ago) link

kittens

darin (darin), Thursday, 16 March 2006 08:30 (eighteen years ago) link

chocolate cake

darin (darin), Thursday, 16 March 2006 08:30 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
http://celebrities.skywalk.co.uk/media/pictures/Donna_Bottman/Donna_Bottman_07.php

Hawt... I used to masturbate a lot while watching her in Domino Dancing in the 90's.

The Ejaculator, Saturday, 8 April 2006 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Dan's "Domino Dancing" hate wounds me deeply.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 8 April 2006 20:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I know there are 800,000,000 PSB threads, but this and the singles thread are my favorites.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 8 April 2006 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
'I always noted that in terms of general marketing and 'audience' as perceived the four key figures in 80s alt Anglophilia in a KROQ etc. sense were Depeche, New Order, the Cure and the Smiths, each of which had very different goals, aesthetics and approaches. (PSB due to the immediate pop success were similar yet removed, but could still easily be lumped in.)'

my american impression is that America's an upside down world in which of the groups you listed New Order ranks at the bottom. relative to those groups, you would think that the Pet Shop Boys would fit right in but sometimes i think they are persona non grata in the states. maybe they are too into-eck-chew-ull for us but even among people who actually give considerable thought to 20+ year old synth groups i am surprised by how often they are dismissed altogether. seriously, their highest profile impression lately is probably having Opportunities serve as the opening theme music to a WB network reality show (in it's second season; Thais was the hottest) called Beauty And The Geek.

Carlos Keith (Buck_Wilde), Thursday, 11 May 2006 20:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes. But they are still great.


Btw. I have finally got to buy all those 2001 reissues and oh my are those "Further Listening" CDs great!

I guess I will burn myself "Further Listening" CDs to go with "Nightlife" and "Release" too, as they were never part of the rerelease series.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 12 May 2006 00:54 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
So why don't they just make all the American Idol etc. people sing "Shameless" for every entry?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 July 2006 04:08 (seventeen years ago) link

three years pass...

Myself and NI of this parish saw them in Manchester Sunday last and they were better than i've ever seen them. In amongst a feast of retina-searing staging and and
All The Big Hits there was 2 astonshing mid sections. One with Neil T in a tuxedo doing stripped down versions of 'Do I Have To?' and 'King's Cross' (complete with the black and white Derek Jarman 'Rent' footage from the 1989 tour as a backdrop) and another 'Please' album section of proto New York house featuring 'Why Don't We Live Together' and 'Two Divded By Zero'. All of this was produced by Stuart Price for the gigs.

From an oldskool fan's point of view it was as if i'd sat and written down what i might like them to do on this tour and they went 'yeah okay then!' while NI described it as 'the best concert i've ever seen'. Seriously is there *anything* better than the Pet Shop Boys?

piscesx, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 15:46 (fourteen years ago) link

another 'Please' album section of proto New York house featuring 'Why Don't We Live Together' and 'Two Divded By Zero'. All of this was produced by Stuart Price for the gigs.

waaant

mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, 23 December 2009 16:07 (fourteen years ago) link

the live album is coming out early 2010 produced by s price esquire so looks like you'll GET it!

piscesx, Wednesday, 23 December 2009 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link

This Bobby Orlando cover is one of my favorite songs, because it has all the satisfaction of a dance song but is equally strong in creating a character and story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErBt7UZzg2o&feature=PlayList&p=C4E4B26685C0FD16&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=43

The Hood Won't Jump (Eazy), Wednesday, 23 December 2009 18:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Glasgow show was amazing.

moron oil (Gukbe), Thursday, 24 December 2009 16:57 (fourteen years ago) link

that Bobby O cover is so great, one of my top 5 songs by them. there's a few crummy versions though, glad that's the proper one.

and yes, what a SHOW it was the other night. makes me think how dare the likes of oasis and kings of leon just clamber onstage and go through their 4/5 piece motions. i would love to read an interview with stuart price about what he did, how far his involvement went, etc

NI, Saturday, 26 December 2009 14:10 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

CD/ DVD package out tomorrow:

http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;0;-1;-1;-1&sku=312181

piscesx, Sunday, 14 February 2010 04:45 (fourteen years ago) link

rats.

http://www.petshopboys.co.uk/news/2234

piscesx, Sunday, 14 February 2010 04:47 (fourteen years ago) link

six months pass...

13 September 2010

Ultimate Pet Shop Boys

On November 1st Parlophone will release "Ultimate Pet Shop Boys", a "comprehensive greatest hits collection", featuring 19 hit singles in chronological order from "West End girls" to "Love etc." The Special Edition version will feature a DVD containing a series of classic BBC TV performances from "Top Of The Pops" and other shows recorded over the last 25 years as well as Pet Shop Boys' celebrated Glastonbury Saturday night headline show from June which the Daily Telegraph judged to be "one of the most spectacular Glastonbury moments ever".

_____

:/

piscesx, Monday, 13 September 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link


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