Also, it's bVII in the verses (upper case because it's a major chord).
― timellison, Sunday, 21 August 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
Don't see how there's anything Phrygian about the verse in "Good Vibrations." It's just Eb minor.
― timellison, Sunday, 21 August 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link
The "I don't know where but she sends me there" part is interesting. On the one hand, I think we recognize the Eb chord as an arrival at the home key, but it's coming off the tonicized Bb chord before it, so it's still really a IV chord (and sounds more like it when it actually goes back to the Bb chord afterward).
― timellison, Sunday, 21 August 2011 22:32 (twelve years ago) link
And, yeah, that last chorus/coda bit is incredible with the chords going down instead of up and then back up in the coda, back down again and ending in the middle!
― timellison, Sunday, 21 August 2011 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
Shakey Mo is really answering remarkably few questions in this thread.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Sunday, 21 August 2011 23:31 (twelve years ago) link
this thread is a satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians that time.
― estela, Sunday, 21 August 2011 23:44 (twelve years ago) link
thanks for the corrections Tim. I knew I probably made some mistakes in there. I'll take another look.
― the wheelie king (wk), Monday, 22 August 2011 00:25 (twelve years ago) link
I totally suck at music theory btw
I would say "Add Some Music to Your Day" modulates to C# major in the bridge.
Yeah, definitely. The C#m, G#m7 and B7 were confusing me because I couldn't figure out where exactly it was changing.
― the wheelie king (wk), Monday, 22 August 2011 00:33 (twelve years ago) link
I totally appreciate the effort. It's amazing how something like the chords being backwards in the last chorus of "Good Vibrations" is something you never really get until you sit and figure it out. And you pointed out why it happened (because of that V-I cadence at the beginning).
xp
― timellison, Monday, 22 August 2011 00:37 (twelve years ago) link
thanking you!
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 August 2011 00:47 (twelve years ago) link
And that bridge in "Add Some Music" is confusing! Thinking about it more, I would say it modulates briefly to C#, but is it C# major or minor? When you're on the G# dominant chord, it sounds like the next chord is going to be C# minor (because the iv chord preceding the G# had been F# minor). Instead, they go to C# major but it never really sounds like a tonic chord because that cycle of fourths starts instead.
The first time you hear the C# major, earlier in the bridge, I think you're still in the key of E and it's a V/ii chord.
― timellison, Monday, 22 August 2011 00:51 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, it depends on how you look at it I guess. If it were in Eb minor the Bb chord at the end of the descending progression would be a Bb minor, right? It depends on whether you hear the progression as being in Eb or in Bb, with it resolving to the tonic in the fourth chord. I stole the Phrygian idea from the wiki page about that progression http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andalusian_cadence#Modal_vs._tonal
I guess it does make more sense to read the verse as being in Eb then, with the first part of the bridge being a return to Eb but major instead of minor.
Yeah, I didn't do this to be confrontational to shakey or anything. I just thought from listening to Good Vibrations that the harmonic progression sounded pretty sophisticated, but I couldn't actually express why. I've been trying to learn more about theory lately and analyzing a lot of songs that I like, so I thought I would take a shot at these just to learn something, and discovering the descending then ascending stuff going on in Good Vibrations was really fun. I never really noticed that before.
xps
― the wheelie king (wk), Monday, 22 August 2011 00:56 (twelve years ago) link
If it were in Eb minor the Bb chord at the end of the descending progression would be a Bb minor, right?
No, it's absolutely common practice for the five chord to be major in a minor key - that's, of course, the dominant chord and functions in the "perfect authentic cadence" (the third of the chord being the leading tone that resolves to the tonic note).
I guess I have two questions about the Phrygian argument in that article. One is that I just don't hear the Bb in the verse of "Good Vibrations" as being a tonal center! And then if Bb is the center, and we're calling it Bb Phrygian, why is that Bb chord major?
The only reason it's major is because it's a dominant chord, right?
― timellison, Monday, 22 August 2011 01:23 (twelve years ago) link
add some lesbians to your day
― buzza, Monday, 22 August 2011 03:03 (twelve years ago) link
hahaha
― iatee, Monday, 22 August 2011 03:04 (twelve years ago) link
awesome thread btw
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 August 2011 04:15 (twelve years ago) link
Dear Shakey,Can you please tell how much time we have left to submit ballots in the jazz albums poll?
Regards,J Redd et al
― Viriconium Island Baby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 16:45 (twelve years ago) link
I'm a pedant, not a watchmaker
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
Try mapping out the chords to "This Whole World" or "Girls on the Beach"! Or (even though it's not much of a song), the last 30 seconds of "Pom Pom Play Girl"....
Chord changes galore, several entire key changes, very complex.
― Lee547 (Lee626), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 17:14 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ james redd. I think shakey finally worked it out in the end. (bet he still misses the deadline)
― Armand Schaubroeck Ratfucker, Tuesday, 23 August 2011 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
"Pom Pom Play Girl"....
"oooh! shake it!"
― satisfying punishment for that thing he said about lesbians (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 23 August 2011 17:51 (twelve years ago) link
wtf, Shakey?http://www.multiverse.org/wiki/index.php?title=Comparison_of_The_Great_Rock_'n'_Roll_Swindle_and_Gold_Diggers_of_1977
― Stranded In the Jungle Groove (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 25 February 2013 01:19 (eleven years ago) link
shakey vote in that 70s poll. Its full of nominations of stuff you like! pfunk etc
― Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 25 February 2013 01:21 (eleven years ago) link
also lol http://www.multiverse.org/wiki/index.php?title=Shakey_Mo_Collier
― Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 25 February 2013 01:22 (eleven years ago) link
A Dead SingerA novella by Michael Moorcock featuring Jimi Hendrix and Shakey Mo Collier.A veteran rock band roadie, Mo, with an addictive and dependent personality sees the (possibly) resurrected Jimi standing on an Imperial Airways flying boat taxiing toward a landing at Derwentwater. Thereafter, Mo keeps Jimi — the object of his hero worship — in isolation, traveling across the English and Scottish countryside in a black Mercedes camper. Jimi solely communicates with Mo and instructs the driver to keep secret his whereabouts.The story begins as Mo’s addiction to speed is relapsing; as the story progresses, his drug consumption and paranoid psychosis increase until he returns to Ladbroke Grove to meet up with a drug dealer named Dave and score a large quantity of uppers, the consumption of which contributes to his death by overdose in a basement crash pad in Oxford Gardens.The morning after Mo’s death, a girl from the Oxford Gardens pad, who admits to herself that she may be hallucinating, sees a black man who strongly resembles Jimi Hendrix enter the apartment, confirm Mo’s death, then drive away from the scene in the Mercedes camper.
A novella by Michael Moorcock featuring Jimi Hendrix and Shakey Mo Collier.
A veteran rock band roadie, Mo, with an addictive and dependent personality sees the (possibly) resurrected Jimi standing on an Imperial Airways flying boat taxiing toward a landing at Derwentwater. Thereafter, Mo keeps Jimi — the object of his hero worship — in isolation, traveling across the English and Scottish countryside in a black Mercedes camper. Jimi solely communicates with Mo and instructs the driver to keep secret his whereabouts.
The story begins as Mo’s addiction to speed is relapsing; as the story progresses, his drug consumption and paranoid psychosis increase until he returns to Ladbroke Grove to meet up with a drug dealer named Dave and score a large quantity of uppers, the consumption of which contributes to his death by overdose in a basement crash pad in Oxford Gardens.
The morning after Mo’s death, a girl from the Oxford Gardens pad, who admits to herself that she may be hallucinating, sees a black man who strongly resembles Jimi Hendrix enter the apartment, confirm Mo’s death, then drive away from the scene in the Mercedes camper.
― Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 25 February 2013 01:23 (eleven years ago) link
I knew about the character, but it was this that prompted my reaction:
The Great Rock 'n' Roll Swindle Gold Diggers of 1977Steve Jones Shakey Mo Collier
Steve Jones Shakey Mo Collier
― Stranded In the Jungle Groove (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 25 February 2013 01:25 (eleven years ago) link
Hawkwind. Mo makes approving comments about the then-new HW cassette, and “Hawkwind is Ace” graffiti appears on a men’s room wall. The Rolling Stones, Mick Jagger, Jim Morrison and Alice Cooper. As a set, regarded as “evil trippers” and “wankers” by Mo
The Rolling Stones, Mick Jagger, Jim Morrison and Alice Cooper. As a set, regarded as “evil trippers” and “wankers” by Mo
haha
― Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 25 February 2013 01:26 (eleven years ago) link
i love the idea of our shakey mo being a gold digger
― Vote in the ILM 70s poll please! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 25 February 2013 01:27 (eleven years ago) link
i always thought the SMC dn was a combination Moorcock/Neil Young reference
I first read about the SMC character from reading up on the Jerry Cornelius quartet after a tossed off mention of them from k-punk
― harvester of lols (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 25 February 2013 01:30 (eleven years ago) link
https://twitter.com/sentantiq/status/799001031250165761
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 21:31 (seven years ago) link
lol
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 21:52 (seven years ago) link
it's true my wife is awesome
kinda hate dogs though
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 21:53 (seven years ago) link
We need u in these trying times shakes
― Hey, let me drunkenly animate yr boats in about 25 to 60 days! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 6 April 2020 19:27 (four years ago) link
I like how the large majority of this thread has nothing to do with me
― Οὖτις, Monday, 6 April 2020 19:30 (four years ago) link
but sure, happy to help
― Οὖτις, Monday, 6 April 2020 19:31 (four years ago) link
Earlier today BG and I tried to summon you to open an An RIP BoJo thread. I might have missed it but somehow you seem to have done the trick all the same!
― Hey, let me drunkenly animate yr boats in about 25 to 60 days! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 6 April 2020 19:36 (four years ago) link
haha I did see he was hospitalized...
― Οὖτις, Monday, 6 April 2020 19:38 (four years ago) link
omg and he's in ICU too!?
hold tight, duty calls
― Οὖτις, Monday, 6 April 2020 19:39 (four years ago) link
my man <3
― Hey, let me drunkenly animate yr boats in about 25 to 60 days! (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 6 April 2020 19:52 (four years ago) link
Where are you?
― The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 22:17 (four years ago) link
RIP Shakey Mo Collier
― na (NA), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 22:50 (four years ago) link
LOL
― The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 22:55 (four years ago) link
yeah i just realized the sly listening thread hasn’t been updated in two weeks ...
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 22 April 2020 23:08 (four years ago) link
Precisely. Has he been posting anywhere else?
― The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 23:44 (four years ago) link
― na (NA), Wednesday, April 22, 2020 6:50 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
God needed someone to tell him how wrong he was about politics.
― Fetch the Bolt Thrower (PBKR), Thursday, 23 April 2020 02:39 (four years ago) link