Indie kids hate emo kids, right?

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Karate these days is the indie Kenny G with vox. Bad pop-jazz fusion.

― Yancey (ystrickler), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'm not the only one: every review of a Karate CD on AMG metions emo.

― g (graysonlane), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, the Gods have spoken I guess.

― Yancey (ystrickler), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

yawn

― g (graysonlane), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Bad pop-jazz fusion.". Right, like the man said, "emo".

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 20:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

troll

1. v.,n. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See also YHBT. 2. n. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." Compare kook. 3. n. [Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves lurking in dark cavelike corners.

Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial. See also Troll-O-Meter.

The use of `troll' in either sense is a live metaphor that readily produces elaborations and combining forms. For example, one not infrequently sees the warning "Do not feed the troll" as part of a followup to troll postings.

-- The Jargon File

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jonathan it is possible to think emo is rubbish and not be a troll.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

he's a pip!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

threads like this are trolls :)

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Awesome, does that mean I can delete them?!!?

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 22:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

tom delete...oh the hell with it.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 23:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

please do, this has been beat to death. It's kind of funny to see people who obviously have no historical perspective rip on something. It's tempting to respond, but I don't care to try to change someone's personal preferences. Also people tend to make blanket statements like "all Emo sucks dick" or whatever. Lame.

It is one of the worst genre names ever though.

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 23:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

madness invented ska.

― gygax!, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 23:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Social Distortion invented punk.

― Ian Johnson, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 23:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

but seriously... the dag nasty remasters are pretty grrrrrrrrrreat... esp. in light of all the RITES OF SPRING revivalism.

― gygax!, Tuesday, 15 October 2002 23:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

troll
1. v.,n. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See also YHBT. 2. n. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." Compare kook. 3. n. [Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves lurking in dark cavelike corners.

-- The Jargon File

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 23:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

jess, :)

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 15 October 2002 23:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

jess' article not online = emo guilt.

― gygax!, Wednesday, 16 October 2002 00:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

I dont think the thread in whole was troll-baiting. Just because it's controversial debate doesnt make it troll-baiting.

Also, you said something about not knowing the historical context. First off, since this was about emo-kids, the historical context doesnt really matter. Do you think any modern day whiney teen listening to Saves the Day, has any clue about the post-Minor Threat DC movement of the mid-80s? Thats what Im considering emo (even though I dont particularly like the old emo either). And why not? If emo-kids call it emo, then it's emo. And if not, if its something else, well, its still crap. Crap that eminated towards a shift-to-crap in the mid-80s.

― David Allen, Wednesday, 16 October 2002 00:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

i will have emo guilt until that article is up, yes!

(tom sez this week.)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 00:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jess: soulseek if you want. The remixes will sound better, and will have some rare material = YOU ARE ALREADY MY BITCH.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 08:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

what's emo?

― michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 09:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

er, that's besides 'a shit genre title'.

― michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 09:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was more of an Orville and Cuddles kid myself...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 16 October 2002 12:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

i thought that emo was a subset of indie. i don't hate either of those categories. i hate people who think that everyone else is conforming except for them. i still don't know what "emo" is really, we don't have emos in nz. we have indie kids. they are mimsy.

― di smith (lucylurex), Thursday, 17 October 2002 03:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

"We play both kinds of music -- country and western."

― bnw (bnw), Thursday, 17 October 2002 04:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

hahahahahah... .best quote ever

EVERYONE PLEASE GO READ FOURFA.COM

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Thursday, 17 October 2002 12:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

...AND THEN FORGET WHAT YOU READ, 'CAUSE IT'S WRONG.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 17 October 2002 12:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

EVERYONE PLEASE GO READ FOURFA.COM
Post a link and we will. "Fourfa.com" doesn't exist.

― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Thursday, 17 October 2002 13:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.fourfa.com/

― gygax!, Thursday, 17 October 2002 13:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

in particular, this page is pretty much right on.

― gygax!, Thursday, 17 October 2002 13:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thanx

― Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Thursday, 17 October 2002 13:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

i just remembered a review from maximumrnr back in the day that put me off the hated for a long time because he described them playing gilman st. without their shoes on like dirty hippies.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 October 2002 14:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

They cover "I Am A Rock" = they are hippies.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 October 2002 14:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

And they are DIRRRRRRTAY.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 October 2002 14:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

three months pass...

(Like Xtina.)

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 10 February 2003 18:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like the idea that the obvious response slowly worked its way through Colin's brain, taking its time, knowing it could afford to meander while everything else in his cranium hummed along at its quick speed.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 February 2003 18:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Like Xtina.)

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 10 February 2003 18:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Indiana Kids hat Emodelphia Kids, fucking hell, looks like I'll have to cancel my vacation. Again.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 10 February 2003 18:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

colin i never did download then. so your piddling .11 on the dollar is safe.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 10 February 2003 18:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

Fourfa.com is biased towards California.

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Monday, 10 February 2003 19:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

The name always used to confuse me, and I wondered if it was a knowing wink to the awkwardness of the bands. I thought this because I imagined it was somehow connected to Emo Phillips! No such luck, like the music, the explanation was VERY po-faced it just meant EMOtional hardcore. I still prefer my version however.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Monday, 10 February 2003 20:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hate is bad. Love is good.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 10 February 2003 22:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Everybody hates emo kids, i thought.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 10 February 2003 22:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hate is bad. Love is good.

You love Billy Corgan now? Aw, sweet!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 February 2003 23:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hey! I didn't say Hate is Bad Love Is God Cupid Ride My Arrow To The Empty Hole I Find Hither (wanky guitar solo).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 10 February 2003 23:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ah, heaven.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 February 2003 23:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

on i slightly different note,this summer is saw dude who made fourfa.com's band, funeral diner. very good. very "emo"

― juiceboxxx (juiceboxxx), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 18:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

See, the only this-thread-relevant bands I like could comfortably pass as either indie or emo.... No Knife for example.

― donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Funeral Diner is pretty decent... thy really don't have many bands that sound like them. And they're Ex - Portraits of Past

PoP is fucking brilliant; I think the vocalist is in jail for running a meth lab that poisoned his kid.

― Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

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Look im a indie to a rock sorta kid..but emos are wrecking music to the max..look i hate them coz of they all follow it..like a kid at school came to school with jet black hair and a findge..so the next week 10 kids come along with the same thing and now they all hang around each other and ditched all their other friends..and the music its always kill me and depressing and why do they only wear black is it just for attetion i mean come on its not cool

― BEn Styring, Monday, 8 May 2006 22:51 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm more a hip to the hop sort of guy but i'm with you brother

― gear (gear), Monday, 8 May 2006 22:54 (eighteen years ago) link

wrecking music to the max

― electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Monday, 8 May 2006 23:15 (eighteen years ago) link

look..why dont we look at some band like taking back sunday....i was listen to them and then i got called a "EMO" and i ask why am i "EMO" then person said "because they are fags who cut them selves and wanna kill them selves" now do you see why this has happened bands like taking back sunday and brand new even bands like smashing pumpkins are now in the dreaded "EMO" music list because they have made any thing without a big bass and a black guy singing "EMO" so now do you seee what i mean

― Ben Styring, Thursday, 11 May 2006 09:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah the bit about the big bass and the black guy cleared it up for me, thanks dude

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 11 May 2006 10:25 (eighteen years ago) link

What the fuck is a findge?

― j s, Thursday, 11 May 2006 12:06 (eighteen years ago) link

77x7 is about the lead singer of Taking Back Sunday, not a girlfriend of Jesse.

― Natalie Claire, Friday, 12 May 2006 01:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Holy shit. This thread.

― kevin francis (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Friday, 12 May 2006 02:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Young goths hate emo - they were all chanting 'We! Hate! Emo!' at a recent all ages gig I attended.

― ratty, Friday, 12 May 2006 02:56 (eighteen years ago) link

What so any thing i say i will get bagged..im just puting my point across saying my say...is that not allowed n e more..look we all dont like emos so let it be that

― Ben Styring, Friday, 12 May 2006 03:03 (eighteen years ago) link

You just dont like it because of your prejudice to emo and you need to rethink how you veiw emos.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 12 May 2006 03:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I feel like a mother whose children don't get along. :(

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 12 May 2006 07:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Indie kids drive like this, and emo kids drive like this!

― procrastinator, Friday, 12 May 2006 07:38 (eighteen years ago) link

what do u mean by that..i think i would know a lil more then you on teh subject...im so sorry to upset YOU of all people..i mean jesus what im not saying n e thing wrong but i still cant get it wright...im sorry you know sooo much on the subject and i dont

― Ben Styring, Saturday, 13 May 2006 03:08 (eighteen years ago) link

I think the real question is whether Yindies hate Yemos

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 13 May 2006 13:12 (eighteen years ago) link

goth kids be all like dis...........

punk kids be all like dis.......

fank you apollo!!

― jonathon, Saturday, 13 May 2006 22:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I feel like a mother whose children don't get along. :(

You shouldn't have abandoned them! ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 13 May 2006 22:02 (eighteen years ago) link

EMO KIDS ARE REALLY JUST THE SAME AS INDIE KIDS I.E. THE MUSIC THEY LISTEN TOO. EMO ARE MORE INTO THE HARDCORE MUSIC.
SAME CAN GO FOR 'SCENE KIDS' TOO. SCENE KIDS FOCUS MORE ON THE FASHION SIDE WITH MUSIC AND THEY ARE MORE CREATIVE & ARTY WHERE AS EMO KIDS ARE MORE INTO THE HEAVIER SOUNDS I.E. SCREAMO/EMO/PUNK ETC...
SCENE KIDS LISTEN TO A *WIDE RANGE* OF MUSIC SUCH AS SCREAMO/INDIE/PUNK ROCK/EMO ETC...
INDIE KIDS LISTEN TO INDIE MUSIC BUT I WON'T SAY THEY HATE EACHOTHER.
I HAVE MY 'INDIE' AND 'EMO' DAYS IF YOU LIKE TO CALL THAT :S
I DON'T REALLY BELONG TO A CERTAIN GROUP TO BE HONEST.
I LISTEN TO EVERYTHING....THAT MAKE ME SCENE RIGHT?
EMO, SCENE AND INDIE KIDS ARE MORE BASICALLY ALL THE SAME ESPECIALLY THE WAY THEY DRESS I.E. SKINNY DRAINPIPES, SKINNY CLOTHING, VANS & CONVERSE BOOTS ETC... EVERYTHING ALL THESE 'GROUPS' WEAR ARE SIMILAR SO REALLY THEY ARE THE SAME IN MY OPINION...

― EMO INDIE SCENE ALL IN ONE, Sunday, 21 May 2006 15:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I just found a new username (not really)

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 21 May 2006 15:37 (eighteen years ago) link

SCENE KIDS LISTEN TO A *WIDE RANGE* OF MUSIC SUCH AS SCREAMO/INDIE/PUNK ROCK/EMO ETC...

― like murderinging (modestmickey), Sunday, 21 May 2006 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link

you people have serious issues... LEAVE emo kids alone... LEAVE indie kids alone... LEAVE everyone alone...if you want to hate someone..hate yourselves for being such imature judgers :|

― Ex_Mortem (Ex_mortem), Monday, 29 May 2006 13:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Right, simply put, Emo shouldnt even be a genre AT ALL, its a style now, theres kids who dress 'emo' (in aust, we see them as black and red blurs with combovers) and listen to fuckin' pop and rap and all sorts of stuff, and then theres people who wear colours and slit there wrists while crying to simple plan, what the hell? I don't hate any of them, let em be if they enjoy it, but what pisses me off is the people that call everybody who wears black, or has a taste in 'heavy' music emo, eg.

I'm a metalhead, i listen to heavy metal, death metal, i wear black, because i feel most comfortable in black, am i emo? Do i slit my wrists? no on both counts. I mean who the fuck calls Iron Maiden EMO?
There is the other type of metal as well, with 'growling' vocals, now people who get SCREAMO confused with growling vocals are just dumb, because growling has been around for decades, and it sounds nothing like the screamo stuff today,

A lesson in history for all of you,
first up, Iron maidens 'number of the beast' has a massive scream after the first few lines, is that screamo? NO. is that emo? NO.

The term 'emo' or 'emotionaly hardcore' actually came from bands in the 70s\80s who would break down and cry on stage in the middle of songs, THATS where it came from, not some 2002 generation 'i hate my life so i'll slit my wrists' shit.

End.

― relay3r, Monday, 29 May 2006 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link

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