Steely Dan: "Steely Dan's name has been popping up as a hip musical crush. Remember, this glossy bop-pop was the indifferent aristocracy to punk rock's stone-throwing in the late 70's. People fought

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I think people who dislike Steely Dan without having heard them think they're some kind of tedious jazz fusion/cocktail eezee listening hybrid.

That's basically how I see them, though I have heard a few of their songs (because my dad likes them). It really just doesn't sound like something I could get into. Maybe someday...

sleep, Monday, 27 September 2004 19:42 (twenty years ago) link

Do you like SONGCRAFT?

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:43 (twenty years ago) link

I can't understand how anybody can not adore Steely Dan. I assume people who don't are replicants or something.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Monday, 27 September 2004 21:20 (twenty years ago) link

VOIGHT-KOMPF TRANSCRIPT #6663, EXCERPT 1

Holden: You're in a desert, walking along in the sand when all of the sudden-
Leon: Is this the test now?
Holden: Yes. You're in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden you look down-
Leon: What one?
Holden: What?
Leon: What desert?
Holden: It doesn't make any difference what desert, it's completely hypothetical.
Leon: But how come I'd be there?
Holden: Maybe you're fed up, maybe you want to be by yourself, who knows? You look down and you see Donald Fagan crawling toward you-
Leon: Donald Fagan, who's that?
Holden: Know who Walter Becker is?
Leon: Um, yeah.
Holden: His partner.
Leon: I've never seen Walter Becker. (pause) But I understand who you mean.
Holden: You reach down, you kick Donald Fagan over on his back, Leon.
Leon: Do you make up these questions, Mr. Holden, or do they write them down for you?
Holden: Donald Fagan lays on its back, his belly baking in the hot sun beating its legs trying to turn himself over but he can't, not without your help, but you're not helping.
Leon: What do you mean I'm not helping?
Holden: I mean, you're not helping. Why is that Leon? (pause) They're just questions, Leon. In answer to your query, they're written down for me. It's a test, designed to provoke an emotional response. (pause) Shall we continue? Describe in single words, only the good things that come in to your mind about... robotic, steam-powered stainless steel dildos.
Leon: robotic, steam-powered stainless steel dildos?
Holden: Yeah.
Leon: Let me tell you about dildos... (BANG!)

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 27 September 2004 21:36 (twenty years ago) link

robotic, steam-powered stainless steel dildos

Mary is strapping on a rubber penis: "Steely Dan III from Yokohama," she says, caressing the shaft. Milk spurts across the room.

"Be sure that milk is pasteurized. Don't go giving me some kinda awful cow disease like anthrax or glanders or aftosa..."

"When I was a transvestite Liz in Chi used to work as an exterminator. Make advances to pretty boys for the thrill of being beaten as a man. Later I catch this one kid, overpower him with supersonic judo I learned from an old Lesbian Zen monk. I tie him up, strip off his clothes with a razor and fuck him with Steely Dan I. He is so relieved I don't castrate him literal he come all over my bedbug spray."

"What happened to Steely Dan I?"

"He was torn in two by a bull dyke. Most terrific vaginal grip I ever experienced. She could cave in a lead pipe. It was one of her parlor tricks."

"And Steely Dan II?"

"Chewed to bits by a famished candiru in the Upper Baboonsasshole. And don't say 'Wheeeeeeee!' this time."

"Why not? It's real boyish."

"Barefoot boy, check thy bullheads with the madame."

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 03:45 (twenty years ago) link

(just thought should be on here for the record)

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 03:51 (twenty years ago) link

that's the original burroughs text? fantastic! i've never read it before.

derrick (derrick), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 05:42 (twenty years ago) link

Yes indeed! I copied it diligently verbatim from p.83 of Naked Lunch. The Dan got their name from THAT. No wonder they rule so much. As if anyone getting their name from THAT could possibly ever suck.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 05:56 (twenty years ago) link

Steely Dan's favorite chord, the 'mu major'. For music nerds, it's basically an add2 with specific voicing. A little extra something in the chord for the listener at home: that's the 'Steely Difference'(R)!

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 12:23 (twenty years ago) link

custos is brilliant

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:13 (twenty years ago) link

I recognized Naked Lunch, but yeah, where the hell did that desert dialogue come from?

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:16 (twenty years ago) link

And if only Two Against Nature had been released by Steely Dan II.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:18 (twenty years ago) link

(it came from blade runner in reference to noodle vague's comment about replicants)

mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 15:21 (twenty years ago) link

Thank you, mookieproof.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 17:20 (twenty years ago) link

From some message board, which I found when following up on a comment on another SD thread about how The Nightflyis one of Donny Osmond's all-time favorite albums:

ame: Razor Boy
joebj@compmore.net
Location: Kanata, Ont Canada
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 at 21:27:00
Comments:

The talk about the Oscars show tweaked my memory to that most gruesome of Steely Dan moments, when Donnie Osmond sang the first two verses of "Peg" during some Miss Teenage America Pageant in the late '70's. It made me a touch numb, and my mother asked me what the fuss was all about, after I lost my sense of decorum and uttered the most graphic of expletives. I told her that she wouldn't understand, and sucked it up and listened to Donny butcher the song.

http://www.retrocrush.com/archive2003/costumes/osmonddonny.jpg


My God, what I wouldn't give for that tape. Incidentally, all of that message board seems about this tightly wound.

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Wednesday, 29 September 2004 03:53 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
I'm having a brutal Steely Dan phase. I've listened to Countdown to Ecstasy about 20 times in the last 2 days, and it's not enough. Now I'm drunk as fuck and I'm going to stay up all night with it on rotation. Please note: I'm restraining myself from asking why everybody doesn't live with this thing forever. The slide on "Pearl of the Quarter". Fuck Music. Just submit, mother-lovers.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Friday, 26 November 2004 02:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Have you ever listened to Super Furry Animals "The Man Don't Give a Fuck"? Everything else I've heard by them has bounced off me without effect, but that song's sample from "Show Biz Kids" is quite possibly my favorite loop-as-hook ever.

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Friday, 26 November 2004 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link

(I still want to punch the original article the thread quote came from in the nuts.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 27 November 2004 16:34 (nineteen years ago) link

But Dan, if we listen to Steely Dan, then the terrorists have surely won! After all, it's clear that the invasions of both Afghanistan and Iraq were motivated to contain the spread of "The Royal Scam," which has been classified by the IAEA as a weapon of mass destruction! Don't you know that Becker and Fagen have long been in league with Al-Zarqawi, and recently pledged fidelity to Bin Laden? And how about the surviving members of Stiff Little Fingers, Sham 69, and The Dead Boys, all of whom are currently embedded with a joint MI-6 and NSA strike force hunting Al-Qaida leaders near the China-Pakistan border? When that traitor Denny Dias gets hung up by his nutz and stoned, under the supervision of Jeff "Skunk" Baxter (who had been operating as a deep cover agent all along anyway), then, and only then, can we finally rest.

J (Jay), Saturday, 27 November 2004 16:59 (nineteen years ago) link

"Glossy bop-pop" sounds awesome to me, anyway.

Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Saturday, 27 November 2004 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
jody is that book u quote from any good? i'd love to read that but i think its deleted.

piscesboy, Wednesday, 2 March 2005 14:11 (nineteen years ago) link

there's a lotta good info in it but editorially it's a total mess. it's written by the guy who does their fanzine, and it reads like a fanzine compiled into a book. i still highly recommend it.

jbr (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 18:21 (nineteen years ago) link

"Glossy bop-pop" sounds awesome to me, anyway.

I'm serious -- half the time all I want to listen to is "glossy bop-pop."

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0001WANWW.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

I was gonna write a review for this on the Rock Discipline thread. Maybe I still will...

Don't Ever Antagonize The Horny (AaronHz), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw this girl the other night who looked exactly like Donald Fagen.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Poor thing.

Don't Ever Antagonize The Horny (AaronHz), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I was retarded. RETARDED.

At work we have this really crappy radio station that plays nonstop; New York's "chill"-- whatever that's supposed to mean; but they play Deacon's Blues every once in a while and it's hugely refreshing.

David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

no, now you are retarded.

jack cole (jackcole), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Now if we can just get Orbit to see the light.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link

:-(

David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I listened to Can't Buy A Thrill last night.

That is all.

Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Great record - probably my second favorite Dan album after Countdown to Ecstasy.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 19:50 (nineteen years ago) link

That is the only one I don't have. It never seems to come into the record store.

Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Fagen doesn't sing all the songs on "Can't Buy a Thrill," right? How do those hold up?

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 19:55 (nineteen years ago) link

That's true: there's another vocalist on "Dirty Work" and another one ("Brooklyn Owes the Charmer Under Me"?) - both of which happen to be great songs. I'd kind of prefer if Fagen had sung them, but the guy who they got to sing isn't terrible, and it's kind of an interesting variety to have on a rock record - kind of like the 69 Love Songs effect.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Like David, I've also noticed myself really enjoying the radio hits. They're quite pleasant and relaxing. I remember noticing the solo on "Do It Again" last time I heard it.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link

If you can find some of the early live Steely Dan (circa '73) on the file sharing sites, you may surprised at how much they rocked in a live setting. Equally surprising is how hard the Doobie Brothers (who featured some of the same touring musicians) rocked live circa the mid-70's.

Drew O, Wednesday, 2 March 2005 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost to o. nate: It's more than those tracks that lack Fagen on Can't Buy A Thrill--it's also "Midnite Cruiser" and also vox are shared by Fagen and others on a few tracks ("Turn That Heartbeat Over Again" and another few, but I can't remember which.)

I find it doesn't really affect my enjoyment of the album--like nate said, they're still great songs.

Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link

one of my favorite things anyone wrote about a record is Christgau on David Palmer, the other vocalist on Thrill: "He fits in like a cheerleader at a crap game."

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Not sure what that Christgau quote means - is the cheerleader supposed to be playing craps too or is she (he?) just cheering on those who are playing? - but in any case, I'm pretty sure he's wrong, since the singer fits in pretty well to the vibe, as long as you're not expecting Fagen's inimitable yowl.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

The image is perfectly apt, o nate. I just listened to the Palmer songs; he's like Doug Yule singing John Cale songs circa "Fear".

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link

one of my favorite things anyone wrote about a record is Christgau on David Palmer, the other vocalist on Thrill: "He fits in like a cheerleader at a crap game."

-- Matos-Webster Dictionary (michaelangelomato...) (webmail), March 2nd, 2005 8:29 PM. (M Matos) (link)


haha!

in dave marsh's heart of rock and soul or whatever it's called, he reviews A RECORD ON WHICH DONALD FAGEN IS SINGING and writes something like "boy, this palmer guy sucks--he's no donald fagen!"

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 3 March 2005 07:39 (nineteen years ago) link

(that's in my top 10 inexplicable critical boners, because dave marsh is not stupid.)

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 3 March 2005 07:40 (nineteen years ago) link

(i actually disagree w/xgau, though if palmer sang EVERY song on that first record, i might change my mind)

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 3 March 2005 07:45 (nineteen years ago) link


Dear Dr Claire

My sister said that some people can be really blind yet they believe they can see. Is this true?

Yours sincerely

Caitlin 

***

Dear Caitlin

It's true, though it's a very rare condition.

If a person is blind, of course they can't really see. But there is a part of the visual system in the brain that can make up pictures that aren't really there...like when you imagine things or dream.

There's another part of the brain that gives you a feeling that what you are experiencing or thinking is real, or true. If these two parts of the brain don't work together properly (which is very unusual) then you can believe you are seeing things when, physically, you aren't.

If a blind person has this problem then they will 'see' what they expect to see.

For instance, if they are in their living room they think they can see the lounge suite, the coffee table, the TV, etc. But it doesn't feel to them like they are imagining it. They really believe it. They can't help it. No amount of arguing about it with them will convince them, even if they make mistakes.

For instance, someone might have moved the coffee table and the blind person walks into it. They wouldn't think that they hadn't seen it. Instead they would make up (and believe) an excuse. 'I just kicked that coffee table to see if it was made properly. You can't be too sure about the quality of workmanship these days.'

There is a famous case of a woman who wasn't blind but who had a similar problem with the part of her brain to do with location. No matter where she was she always believed she was in her own home. Once she was taken to hospital for some tests. While she was waiting in the foyer she looked at the row of shiny stainless steel elevator doors in front of her. She was most upset. She complained about the workers who were doing the renovations in her living room. She hadn't ordered elevators. They would have to take them out again. She was damned if she was going to pay the extra cost for their mistake...etc.

You see, the poor lady had to make up a reason to explain to herself what felt to be true to her--that she was always at home in her own place.

It just goes to show that so much of what we think is real is actually happening in our brain.

Of course, most of the time it is real. At least it is for me!

Yours sincerely ,
Virginia R. Claire

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 3 March 2005 07:51 (nineteen years ago) link

it's an interesting analogy, and this confession regarding your "blind spot" (Steely Dan) is very brave. It's tough to see talent sometimes. We'll do our best to help you on ILM.

Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Thursday, 3 March 2005 07:57 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.geocities.com/~themistyone/images/freeman02a.jpg

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 3 March 2005 08:03 (nineteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
Wait, actually they're like the best band ever.

Sundar (sundar), Saturday, 22 October 2005 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.supermancollectors.com/scn/2004mar/supball6.jpg

Jack Cole (jackcole), Saturday, 22 October 2005 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I love the Dan desperately. And the new records are great. The lyrics to "Pixeleen" or "Lunch with Gina" crack me up, and the melody in "Everything Must Go" is beautiful.

I've noticed that the lyrics have gotten much less willfully obscure (I think they cited Pynchon as an influence early on) and tell a coherent story now. Musically they're completely unchanged from what they used to do.

Brakhage (brakhage), Saturday, 22 October 2005 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link


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