tech n9ne's career has been pretty amazing
plus, whiney is a juggalo evangelist now
― J0rdan S., Friday, 2 September 2011 23:18 (twelve years ago) link
a testament to tech n9ne's work ethic is i can remember multiple times, sitting around a table at my college newspaper going, "didn't we do a preview for a tech n9ne show... last semester?"
― J0rdan S., Friday, 2 September 2011 23:20 (twelve years ago) link
Not hating btw
Though honestly you know who you guys hate on but was doing the same thing as tech n9ne since forever (touring and work ethic wise)?atmosphere & rhyme sayers
― velvet underground - reloaded (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:23 (twelve years ago) link
eh id say i hate on both of them equally -- ive owned the same no of tech n9ne and atmosphere cds lol
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:27 (twelve years ago) link
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one of the tech n9nes was gifted though
this is a really obvious point, maybe someone already made it above, but at this point record sales are only an measure of popularity among people who still pay for music, not really a great measure of general popularity.
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:33 (twelve years ago) link
A lot you downloaders are heaven sentBut general popularity don't pay the fuckin rent
― velvet underground - reloaded (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:46 (twelve years ago) link
i'd barely even heard of tech nninene before he was doing crazy numbers for an independent, what little i've heard is i guess real aggro speed rap shit? i can respect that
― some dude, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:48 (twelve years ago) link
Also I don't really buy that. I bet the most stolen/downloaded music is the same stuff that's at the top of itunes and the billboard charts. So far the spotify top charts are all popular pop tunes
― velvet underground - reloaded (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 2 September 2011 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
nah im with n/a on this, i think theres a relationship between whats popular & what sells but hardly an a+b=c situation
― D-40, Friday, 2 September 2011 23:56 (twelve years ago) link
it's not directly representational but it's not like there's some hugely overlooked shadow music industry anymore. everyone knows about mixtapes now and most of the top downloads on datpiff are like chris brown and drake and a bunch of mid-level major label rappers, with a handful of rappers here and there that genuinely don't have a mainstream profile.
― some dude, Saturday, 3 September 2011 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
you're downplaying that like its not meaningful?
― D-40, Saturday, 3 September 2011 00:18 (twelve years ago) link
like isnt 'a handful of rappers here and there that genuinely dont have a mainstream profile' qualify? i'm sure its not exclusive to rap, either
it's meaningful sure but you always seem to have this fantasy that if every person in the country had arbitron people meters monitoring everything everyone listened to 24/7 we'd suddenly realize that yo gotti is more popular than drake and i just don't see it
― some dude, Saturday, 3 September 2011 00:21 (twelve years ago) link
― some dude, Friday, September 2, 2011 7:21 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
i dont think yo gotti is more popular than drake but i dont think that their relative sales are proportionate!
― D-40, Saturday, 3 September 2011 00:22 (twelve years ago) link
we've argued about this before & you did the same thing where you accused me of saying that the less popular artists were secretly the most popular which isnt what i'm saying. i'm talking about how im sure some genres & styles of artists are hit more heavily by downloading than others, have their numbers more significantly impacted. i think thats a pretty sizeable amount, considering what a massive percentage drop in sales there have been across the board.
― D-40, Saturday, 3 September 2011 00:23 (twelve years ago) link
sure, i'm exaggerating, but that's just because we agree that the sales are disproportionate but you seem to think it's like some huge gap where i get the feeling it's not quite so dramatic.
― some dude, Saturday, 3 September 2011 00:27 (twelve years ago) link
well, neither of us can prove this either way, but i remember distinctly an era where random no name no limit rappers went platinum, & i feel like yo gotti is bigger than some of those dudes
― D-40, Saturday, 3 September 2011 00:30 (twelve years ago) link
well sure, but that was in the day when tons of rappers went platinum, the bar for platinum's really high now but in the late '90s/early 2000's it was almost kind of too low
― some dude, Saturday, 3 September 2011 00:37 (twelve years ago) link
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― some dude, Friday, September 2, 2011 7:37 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
yeah but some rappers still sell. i think drake is more likely to sell to a buys-cds fanbase than yo gotti. certainly jay-z as well
― D-40, Saturday, 3 September 2011 00:39 (twelve years ago) link
i have to say it is kind of amazing that Wayne came out of 2010 relatively unscathed, Rebirth actually moving units and Cash Money timing singles/features well enough that there was really never any point when he wasn't on the radio the whole 10 months he was locked up. i really thought that was going to be the point where the world kind of moved on from him and Drake and/or Nicki started to be a much bigger star.
― some dude, Saturday, 3 September 2011 00:49 (twelve years ago) link
i think the fact is ppl respect drake as a rapper more than they respect either drake or nicki.
― D-40, Saturday, 3 September 2011 00:52 (twelve years ago) link
argh i mean respect wayne obv
yeah but that didn't stop Kanye from becoming in some ways bigger than Jay
― some dude, Saturday, 3 September 2011 00:57 (twelve years ago) link
yah but i think theres an ideological consideration there ... jay couldnt be an anti-50 cent the way kanye could
― D-40, Saturday, 3 September 2011 01:00 (twelve years ago) link
whereas i dont see the same kind of need for a drake or minaj ... maybe a minaj, idk, but we'll see how much further she runs from rapping
i don't know what "need" means here. i mean millions of people feel the need to hear their songs on the radio five times an hour, that's the only need that matters, right.
― big spiritual hat club (some dude), Saturday, 3 September 2011 01:09 (twelve years ago) link
thats pop appeal, obv i think wayne's got to have more or taio cruz would be selling wayne numbers
― D-40, Saturday, 3 September 2011 01:12 (twelve years ago) link
like wayne is 'legit good rapper' + pop appeal, kanye was "thinking man's pop star rapper" which made up for the fact that he wasnt actually thinking rlly, but he wasnt a gangster like 50 ... there was a need for all the ppl for bourgeoise / 'conflicted' rapper contrast to 50 cent
imo
― D-40, Saturday, 3 September 2011 01:14 (twelve years ago) link
at this point record sales are only an measure of popularity among people who still pay for music, not really a great measure of general popularity.
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, September 2, 2011 7:33 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark
i don't think this is necessarily true for someone like lil wayne who moved an exorbitant amount of albums in week one -- i'm sure that there are a lot of ppl for whom carter IV is the only album they'll buy this year, maybe even out of brand loyalty. moving 900k in a week in 2011 is a REALLY great measure of popularity imo
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 3 September 2011 01:24 (twelve years ago) link
once again tho its a measure of 'an artist we are likely to spend money on when we almost never spend money on music' which is v different than the way things used to be
― D-40, Saturday, 3 September 2011 01:30 (twelve years ago) link
maybe even out of brand loyalty
i'm going to bed now and this isn't really an argument but i just want to pick up on this and lob the whole 2011 stan culture angle into all of this cuz i think it's relevant
― lex pretend, Saturday, 3 September 2011 01:31 (twelve years ago) link
Drake had a huge fanbase already when he was signed.
― swagliacci (The Reverend), Saturday, 3 September 2011 01:31 (twelve years ago) link
didn't he officially sign after "best i ever had" was already in the top 5
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 3 September 2011 01:34 (twelve years ago) link
― D-40, Friday, September 2, 2011 9:30 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
i'm not sure what your point is? that wayne's number is less impressive? cuz i think it's more. or maybe you're sorta arguing w/ shipley even tho i'm not really making his point
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 3 September 2011 01:37 (twelve years ago) link
no i think thats totally impressive -- not arguing w you per se
― D-40, Saturday, 3 September 2011 01:56 (twelve years ago) link
ok
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 3 September 2011 02:00 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.gq.com/entertainment/music/201111/lil-wayne-gq-music-issue#ixzz1bKdbd3Xd?currentPage=all
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 20 October 2011 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
the historical implications of lil wayne skateboarding til sun-up in ur town
― johnny crunch, Thursday, 20 October 2011 18:47 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, idk about this guy
the skateboarding thing is only less embarrassing than the guitar playing cuz it doesn't infiltrate his music, but i guess it's kind of cool that wayne is showing up at random skate parks across the country and hanging out w/ teenagers
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 20 October 2011 18:59 (twelve years ago) link
I'm still like a kid, because unfortunately my childhood was raped away from me because I became a star
huh
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link
why you rape away lil wayne's childhood like that
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2011 19:16 (twelve years ago) link
birdman did what?
― turfin' bird (The Reverend), Thursday, 20 October 2011 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
Like, people watch commercials, and they're like, "Who's gonna buy that?" I'm the person they make the commercials for. I watch them, and I'm like, "Oh God, that's awesome."
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 October 2011 23:10 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not a star, somebody raped
― some dude, Friday, 21 October 2011 00:45 (twelve years ago) link
http://fashionably-early.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/lil-wayne-face-tattoo.jpg
― some dude, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 01:17 (eleven years ago) link
ever since you got them titties youtalkin bout you thinkin bout some ass shotstakin all these snapshots different backdrops
― johnny crunch, Friday, 27 November 2015 01:39 (eight years ago) link
dedication 6 sounds good
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 30 December 2017 01:09 (six years ago) link
I'm pretty far from a hip hop expert but he is my favorite rapper I've ever heard. Da Drought 3 being his pinnacle.
― kornrulez6969, Saturday, 30 December 2017 01:22 (six years ago) link