Do we like the Scissor Sisters?

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i think it would be better to be more specific.

― stelfox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, like I said on that other thread that withered and died, the sheer volume of my hatred has little to do with the insipid mild turgicity of their music, so obviously the amount I am bothering to attack them says more about me (and ILM) than about them...

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link

And nothing said here today has convinced me that the antipathy is anything but a kneejerk to the praise.

(xpost)

come on, 'Filthy/Gorgeous' reeks of Sylvester, call it karaoke/cabaret if you want, i don't find that a problem, it strikes me as a competent stab at apeing the style irrespective of the fact there is no large black T.V. fronting it

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

obv. the disco genre itself reflects a thin spectrum at which perhaps Moroder and the darker Italo stuff are at one end and the more cheesy stuff (Bee Gees, yer man Sylvie) at the other

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I must just be responding to "praise" because I have no musical taste of my own, and I'm incapable of disliking something or forming my own opinions just because it doesn't conform to my own tastes and expectations of pop.

I don't know how many times I have to state that I dislike them because I don't like their music. I HATE them because I'm overexposed to them. I admit that, but it doesn't negate the fact that I really don't like their music.

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyway, this has all been very fun, but I'm off to rehearsal now...

― Danger Whore (kate), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

but it seems you only feel you have to speak out about hating their music so much because you've had trouble avoiding them so much

it's just that when you (not YOU) get to actually criticising the ethos, or the music itself, it always seems to revolve around 'they think they're sooooo cooooool, but i know better, i remember when this stuff actually was new!' which is fair enough but a little tiresome to hear every time someone comes out with a record unasbashed in revivalism (goes for 'Is This It' too i guess). people have different ideas of what constitutes good party music but ignoring snobby pretensions, this stuff fits the bill just fine.

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't like them because they dsound like Elton John, and lots of other music I really really don't like. The ridiculous hype merely serves as the ketchup on the chips of criticism.

also I hate fun, obv

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Let us take the 'hate fun' meme out back and kindly and sweetly club it over the head with a shovel.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

i hate the scissor sisters' music, i hate the dull jaded camp, i the fact that they're touted as being great when they're merely tolerable. i hate the fact that people ask me to play their stuff when i dj because they don't know any better.

― stelfox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:42 (nineteen years ago) link

and they are not fun. they are bland and annoying.

― stelfox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:42 (nineteen years ago) link

ooh snippy Ned!

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link

The whole point of the "hate fun" meme is that it's annoying. That's what it's there for.

I have nothing to say about the SS. I've only heard that one song about taking your mom out. I thought it was ok but pretty repetitive.

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link

did this band scrub the nu-metal guitar approach? Because when I saw them like 2 years ago that was one of the main things about their sound that annoyed me.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:46 (nineteen years ago) link

There is no fucking hype about the Scissor Sisters, for christ's sake! Or if there was it ended long ago.

And if people can't see that their version of "Comfortably Numb" is a disco/house record then I'm utterly amazed. Listen to the fucking thing!

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

it's a shit record - listen to the fucking thing!

― stelfox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 15:58 (nineteen years ago) link

whether you like it or not doesn't matter, the point is it fits into disco/house sets just fine, I can't help but feel the baggage the Scissor Sisters image and it being a Pink Floyd song bring are muddying the waters here.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

whether you like it or not doesn't matter

i didn't see the thread title reading "do we like the scissor sisters? (apart from stelfox and carlin because their opinions really don't matter)"

― stelfox, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I meant in the context of the argument on the thread here, I am pointing out that it is a disco/house record, regardless of peoples feelings on it one way or another.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:11 (nineteen years ago) link

surely that should be 'rogering the waters', ahahahaha

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

oh it's a disco record yes, but a disco version of a terrible song, so it's really horrible. On the focus group that never was I gave it 0+joker

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link

At this point, is there anything more boring than people complaining that stuff from _The Wall_ is the worst music ever? (hyperbole acknowledged)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Their version of FF's 'Take Me Out' is one of the worst things I have ever heard. It should be enough to convince anyone that the Scissor Sisters are very, very bad indeed.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Although to be fair the FF cover sounds nothing at all like anything else they've ever done...it's essentially a novelty.

― nameom (nameom), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm sorry I'm boring you Dan, but I honestly really don't like it. (I do like some Pink Floyd mind you, just not that song, it always annoyed me - but then so do a lot of things right now)

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

It's okay, I'm a benevolent narcissist.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link

and quite fancy too.

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Fancy benevolent narcissism... that sounds like The Scissor Sisters' raison d'etre!

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:02 (nineteen years ago) link

WUV (of self)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Duh everybody of course "Comfortably Numb" is a disco track (italo disco really, but whatever); ironically the rock-based ATOC Dub is much better (the chorus of the original slips into Idol crap audition realms a bit).

The second half of this record is much better than the first, apart from "Take Your Mama Out" which is fantastic.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 16 September 2004 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Are there two completely different versions of this album? I've seen wildly different tracklistings/playlists for some reason.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 September 2004 05:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I realize I said this on my blog a while back (not that any of you necessarily care), but I didn't like Ben Folds when he was straight. The camp frission would seem to be something I'd like (I usually do), but this time it generates a pretty big meh. Maybe I'll come around in six months or something, though.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 16 September 2004 05:58 (nineteen years ago) link

fuck, daily backup ate my post. um I really like the 2002 version of "Filthy/Gorgeous", sort've like something Sylvester might have done if he'd lived a few years longer & great bassline & that women's spoken-word bit & appropriate title; the couple of times I've seen the "Take Your Mama Out" video it seems sweet+sad in a way I can't recall many examples of in chart rock recently (tho r&b has that covered usually).

― etc, Thursday, 16 September 2004 06:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Covering Pink Floyd in the style of the late '70s Bee Gees. Didn't the Scissor Sisters get this idea off an old Kenny Everett sketch?

Nothing that the Scissor Sisters have done comes even remotely close to the genius of "Snot Rap."

― Donnie Smith The Quiz Kid, Thursday, 16 September 2004 06:52 (nineteen years ago) link

did you used to present top of the pops?

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 16 September 2004 08:24 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost: Are there two completely different versions of this album? I've seen wildly different tracklistings/playlists for some reason.

Yes... there's an unreleased demo version from, erm, late 2002 I think, and the official studio version from this year. The demo versions of "Music Is The Victim" and "Filthy/Gorgeous" are definitely worth hearing (extra spoken-word passages in both, which should have been retained); the demo of "Return To Oz" isn't.

Some of the more whimsical/pervy/electronic tracks on the demo version have never been officially released: seek in particular "Electrobix", "Step Aside For The Man", "Backwoods Discotheque" (not the version which came out as a UK B-side), "Monkey Baby".

Donnie Smith, yr breakin my heart...

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 16 September 2004 08:44 (nineteen years ago) link

"Backwoods Disco" is great.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 16 September 2004 09:02 (nineteen years ago) link

he couldn't if he tried

xost

― the neurotic rassafrassa of harrumph (blueski), Thursday, 16 September 2004 09:02 (nineteen years ago) link

It's a load of old verbals that don't make sense. I get it off the wall at the local gents.

― Sid Snot, Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Baby, you're not that kind.

― mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:43 (nineteen years ago) link

this is the Sizziziz next single, I am pretty certain

― the neurotic rassafrassa of harrumph (blueski), Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:44 (nineteen years ago) link

babydaddy from the scizzors is a jbz fan. I tried to get them as support on the european tour (playing 1000 capacity venues). it almost happened...

― nick.K (nick.K), Thursday, 16 September 2004 11:59 (nineteen years ago) link

(xpost)

Not their cover of "Big Six" by Judge Dread, then.

"Little Miss Muffet, sat on her tuffet, her knickers all tattered and torn/It wasn't a spider who sat down beside her/It was Little Boy Blue with the horn," uh huh uh huh, etc.

― Sid Snot, Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:00 (nineteen years ago) link

did this band scrub the nu-metal guitar approach? Because when I saw them like 2 years ago that was one of the main things about their sound that annoyed me.

That sounds really really brilliant!!!!!!!! Perhaps they ought to bring them back!!!!!

Mind you, if they did, some of folks here would still be wittering on about how they're just a Big Camp Gay Disco Band!!!!!!

― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:02 (nineteen years ago) link

The Scissor Sisters would greatly benefit from a welcome improv/glitch input. Perhaps they should get Jim O'Rourke to produce them.

― Alice Rage, Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha, in that case I think I have the demo version and not the official one! I'll double check on that.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Disappointingly, apparently Jake hates "Someone To Touch (How Many Times)" so no chance of it ever surfacing properly.

― edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 16 September 2004 12:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I always loved 'Bicycling With The Devil', it's like so stern and melodramatic and it's about not having an asshole.

I thought the b-side version of Backwoods was the same as the one on the demo?

― Michael Philip Philip Philip Annoyman (Ferg), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought the "Comfortably Numb" cover was fun but I basically agree with what Tracer said about the originals being pretty unmemorable. I'm not a big Elton John fan though, so musically this isn't my cup of tea. As far as crazy-ass camp whatever goes, I prefer Junior Senior and Electric Six by far (they're more aggro).

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 16 September 2004 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link

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