Can We Be Rock'n'Roll Without Rock?

Come on, the Blue Oyster Cult wasn't that minimal or pastoral.

I think my new Maryanne Amacher CD gratified me pretty instantly and intensely. And Alan Licht's "Polarity" was feeling pretty stomach-turningly creepy yesterday.

emil.y - I think your questions are good and you put them well - BUT... I'm not sure I understand you, for all that. (How can this be?)

The experimentalism you seem to be on about is, as far as I recall, a bore. Certainly every band at ATP = dud with hardly a single exception. So I'm not sure that they have the answer to anything.

'Rock' - or guitars, or whatever, can be 'conceptual'. Maybe we'd need to define 'concept', though.

hey edgar varese rocks !

i'm still never entirely positive that foxy isn't trying to rile us. "every band at atp = dud"?? so between autechre and derek bailey, mike ladd and television, afrika 70 and the sun ra arkestra, BoC and um...tortoise, you don't find a single arist of value?

i do have some answers to your question emil y that i will ponder more when i'm away from this desk in a few hours...but one of them would probably be pulling out my old hobby horse (::coughdancemusiccough::) that will more than likely send pinefox running back to mozzer. ;)

>>> i'm still never entirely positive that foxy isn't trying to rile us. "every band at atp = dud"?? so between autechre and derek bailey, mike ladd and television, afrika 70 and the sun ra arkestra, BoC and um...tortoise, you don't find a single arist of value?

Yes, I do find a single artist of value: Television, who can roXoR good, as they say round here, despite not being great songwriters. I said 'with hardly a single exception': that's the exception. The others are clearly big time bores at best, unbearable for the ears (and other senses - cf. dreadful strobe lights etc) at worst.

Rock is your shadow or a tarbaby, people's efforts to extricate themselves from it are very amusing. Anti-rockists are not just tilting at windmills, they're raving at the wind itself.

Well Said. anyone who is so afraid to be called or put in a category of rock and or roll is by definition anything but experimental, just a bit too anal if you ask me. Which, of course, you didn't.

For the first and only time ever, I quote Twisted Sister:

"You can't stop Rock!!!"