i havent hunted for any but youve never heard styles rhyme a word w/ itself before? thats hardly uncommon
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Saturday, October 29, 2011 4:19 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark
ok are you seriously trying to say that "ten rings on like a basketball player/ freshman of the year like a basketball player" is a totally standard beanie sigel-style same word rhyme
― mylo & xylotis (some dude), Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link
to be fair it sounded more like "baskuhball plee-urr" the second time
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link
― mylo & xylotis (some dude), Saturday, October 29, 2011 3:32 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
lots of rappers do this & its not different; whats lame about his freestyle isnt just that line by itself, its that theres no other content there. 2 chainz does this. its not inherently bad
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
really think he should make the 'basketball player' thing a phrase he uses to end every line a la Juvenile's "Ha"
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
the deej/whiney/al bitchfest in the middle of this thread is one of the most entertaining and vicious exchanges i've ever read on ilm
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2011 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, good times
obviously the main thing about the line is that it's the closest thing to an actual couplet in the whole little 'freestyle' and wouldn't be that noteworthy dropped in the middle of 16 bars. but i think deej is underestimating how it works (or fails to work, i should say) on several levels. like, usually rappers allude to basketball players having a lot of rings as in championship rings, but he's like a freshman basketball player (presumably college ball, since it's 'freshman' and not 'rookie') who hasn't played in any championships yet?
― mylo & xylotis (some dude), Saturday, 29 October 2011 21:25 (twelve years ago) link
ten rings on like a basketball playerfreshman of the year like a basketball (,) player
isn't as bad/confounding as
nine piece, straight 8 ballsmjg, bitch i got 8 balls
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link
oj doesn't know better, but ross just delights in bending over and taking a shit on people like you who call him a great rapper
― mylo & xylotis (some dude), Saturday, 29 October 2011 21:31 (twelve years ago) link
either in one of those lines he's saying that he has eight testicles, or he just makes two references to eight balls of cocaine, or i have no idea what he's talking about
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2011 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
that chorus seriously turns my brain into a pretzel
ross is a great rapper! which is why "9 piece" was so disappointing as a single choice
80% of his singles have been disappointing by any measure
― mylo & xylotis (some dude), Saturday, 29 October 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
well that's true too
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
? which ones?
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Saturday, 29 October 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link
i'd say it's closer to 50% than 80%
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link
or 40%
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 29 October 2011 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
doesnt Al hate BMF?
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Saturday, 29 October 2011 22:12 (twelve years ago) link
i do but it's obv too popular to be in the 'disappointing by any measure' category
― mylo & xylotis (some dude), Saturday, 29 October 2011 23:28 (twelve years ago) link
in any event he has like 3 singles people genuinely like out of 20
― mylo & xylotis (some dude), Saturday, 29 October 2011 23:29 (twelve years ago) link
o_O
― Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Saturday, 29 October 2011 23:41 (twelve years ago) link
the club goes crazy when the dj throws on "who gives a shit" featuring john legend or "remember that funny video" featuring r. kelly?
― mylo & xylotis (some dude), Saturday, 29 October 2011 23:44 (twelve years ago) link
i mean for LEAD SINGLES off of NUMBER ONE ALBUMS they're kind of non-entities
― mylo & xylotis (some dude), Saturday, 29 October 2011 23:47 (twelve years ago) link
I like both of those songs, and they were popular songs when they dropped and got played in clubs so... idgi
― Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Saturday, 29 October 2011 23:49 (twelve years ago) link
like, looking through his singles on Wikipedia the only ones that are questionable are:
"Here I Am"(featuring Nelly and Avery Storm)
"Maybach Music 2"(featuring Kanye West, T-Pain and Lil Wayne)
"9 Piece"(featuring Lil Wayne)
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll9n6z0rZX1qgz15c.jpg
― Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Saturday, 29 October 2011 23:53 (twelve years ago) link
c'mon dog nobody fucked with "speedin'"...i had to look at ross's wiki page to remember that song even existed just now, i was like "i know SOMETHING flopped before 'the boss' but i can't remember what'
― mylo & xylotis (some dude), Saturday, 29 October 2011 23:53 (twelve years ago) link
ross is winning right now though, hes on how many charting singles?
spreading this out over 4 years in this environment, of course hes got some flops, what major label artist doesnt
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Saturday, 29 October 2011 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
"here i am" was a pretty genuine hit, the response to it didn't seem as perfunctory and indifferent as to "push it" or "super high" (xpost)
― mylo & xylotis (some dude), Saturday, 29 October 2011 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
and 9ball is actually a minor hit right? i mean, i think its wack/confusing, but its the only one i dont really like and it is successful
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Saturday, 29 October 2011 23:56 (twelve years ago) link
'super high' is awesome
obviously ross is huge right now (no pun intended) and is on a lot of records, but i brought up this convo in direct response to j0rdan acting like "9 piece" (which is a very, very minor hit) being a dud single was some kind of shock in the context of his career
― mylo & xylotis (some dude), Saturday, 29 October 2011 23:57 (twelve years ago) link
i mean people treat ross like he's at the level of t.i. in his prime but at the point tip had been that big for this long he had like an hour's worth of bangers everyone can fuck with, ross has like 3 enduring songs and a bunch of guest verses on hits where he's never the best thing about the song
― mylo & xylotis (some dude), Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:02 (twelve years ago) link
i think people treat Ross as more of a Diddy than a TIP
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:05 (twelve years ago) link
or really, a mixture of the two
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:06 (twelve years ago) link
Ross certainly has more than 3 enduring songs
tip's maybe not the strongest possible analogy but i have no idea where diddy comes into this
― mylo & xylotis (some dude), Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:07 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I don't get the diddy thing at all
Ross has lots of enduring songs, most of which weren't singles but most of his singles are great! Honestly, his catalog is more consistent than TI's imo but I was never a huge TI fan tbh
― Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
ok so there's hustlin', bmf, the boss, maaaaybe here i am and aston martin music? you might like other songs but his catalog is not bustling with undeniable unforgettable classics is all i'm saying.
― mylo & xylotis (some dude), Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
i mean you might love "super high" but nobody remembers that song and it came out LAST YEAR
― mylo & xylotis (some dude), Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:10 (twelve years ago) link
by Diddy I'm talking about late 90s diddy -- he's executing large numbers of hits that dont have a distinctive 'sound', they're just big, larger than life, theatrical pop tracks with huge expensive videos etc. i mean, i think the diddy comparison is obvious
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:11 (twelve years ago) link
mc hammer, maybach music, MAFIA MUSIC, i'm not a star....
― Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:11 (twelve years ago) link
"I'm a Boss" is a Ross track as much as it is a Meek Mill one. that was like the anthem this summer
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
whats the 'mmmmaybe' on aston martin music? i still hear that on the radio
Ross is definitely as much a producer (in the widest, diddiest sense) as much as he is a rapper. t.i. is definitely more rapper than anything else. I like T.I.'s catalog more but he's a better rapper & more of an album artist, Ross is all about the art of the top 40 single
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:14 (twelve years ago) link
dude Ross has made two Top 40 singles in his entire career
― mylo & xylotis (some dude), Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:15 (twelve years ago) link
I don't agree with that though, Ross' albums are all good front-to-back. I definitely see him as an album artist, Deeper Than rap is as complete an album as any T.I. album
― Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:15 (twelve years ago) link
ok the art of the pop rap single if u prefer
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:17 (twelve years ago) link
― Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Saturday, October 29, 2011 7:15 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
eh, hes not a rapper like T.I. is though, T.I. has people invested in who he is, in a multi-dimensional sense; there are lots of great songs on his albums that couldn't be singles & are just straight raw rapping. I feel like if a Ross song doesn't seem like a good pop song, like the kind of thing that might have a shot at charting, it tends to also just be bad overall
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:18 (twelve years ago) link
'charting' is probably misleading -- i mean, Ross is at his best at a meeting point between rap & pop, whereas T.I. doesn't lean as heavily on the aesthetics of pop -- whether or not it charts for Ross is kind of irrelevant since i'm talking about creative success in this particular instance
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:19 (twelve years ago) link
Kind of having trouble buying that when T.I. is the dude who makes songs like "Whatever You Like"
― Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:20 (twelve years ago) link
like 'ASAP' by T.I., or 'be better than me,' neither of those are the kinds of singles that get big expensive videos or have the biggest R&B singers on them, or aspire to be widescreen theatrical pop music. Ross, though, is totally in this lane
xp yeah but "whatever you like" is a weak song relative to "asap"
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:21 (twelve years ago) link
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Saturday, October 29, 2011 8:18 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
totally ("mafia music" being the obvious exception)
― mylo & xylotis (some dude), Sunday, 30 October 2011 00:21 (twelve years ago) link