i think surfboards problem here is that he's conflating "narrative" with "image" -- ASAP has no narrative per se... he put videos on the internet and people liked them. he doesn't have a life story. but his image is very trendy & current, i think that's blatantly obvious.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:41 (twelve years ago) link
seriously you guys are thick. i dont give a fuck about any of hte narratives. i read books.
i'M TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY GOIT BUZZ. ASAP'S NARRATIVE IS MORE FERTILE FOR BLOGS AND MAGAZINES. THE WHOLE SPECTRUM OF THE NARRATIVE FROM IMAGE TO MUSIC. i'm sure LEP have a great backstory, but obviously it's not as interesting TO BUZZ-MAKERS.
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― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:42 (twelve years ago) link
yes it's a superficial system and distorts the landscape. so be it it's nothing new.
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, October 31, 2011 8:42 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
or they dont know their backstory whatsoever
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:43 (twelve years ago) link
tbf deej, coming from the projects isn't really an "interesting narrative"
― Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:44 (twelve years ago) link
LEP's Count came out of the Ickes projects. Count was a black stone p ranger. he grew up on NWA and originally met his manager when he was plotting to rob him. thats barely scraping the surface of the stories about those guys
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, October 31, 2011 9:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
i mean... i don't think it really matters if we sit here and dick size over who has a cooler or more interesting life story. i think the industry has been moving away from these types of rappers for a while now.
asap is a fashionable, internet savvy young person. tell me how this is out of line w/ how music has been pushed to the masses in the last like 5 years. especially if you think outside of rap.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:44 (twelve years ago) link
i think jordan is on point here, they like the image & the narrative actually comes after the fact to justify the enjoyment of the image
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:44 (twelve years ago) link
The video for Purple Swag was by far the biggest factor in generating the initial buzz
― Number None, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:45 (twelve years ago) link
no one gives a shit about narrative tho -- journalists only talk about ASAP's "narrative" because it's SOP. what he's presenting is much more important to the listener.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:46 (twelve years ago) link
the narrative is the way a story is framed. come on youre all writers you know this. im not talking about backstory.
i just googled LEP and found out theyre from chicago and now im really pissed i even entered this convo. you have a horse in this race man what a stupid argument
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:46 (twelve years ago) link
― Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Monday, October 31, 2011 8:44 PM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
my vague understanding is that Count was more than just 'from the projects' but was actually running them. and the ickes have a particular interesting history & story & were recently knocked down.
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:46 (twelve years ago) link
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, October 31, 2011 8:46 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i only brought them up because i covered them recently & learned a whole bunch about their narrative which is actually pretty fascinating (unfortunately more fascinating than some of the songs on the recent tape). i'm not mad that they're not where asap is or something. lol @ you trying to impugn my impartiality or w/e tho
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:48 (twelve years ago) link
i just don't see how there's so much hemming and hawing and head scratching about ASAP when two of the biggest breakout acts of the year (critically speaking of course) are odd future & the weeknd. how does ASAP not fit in perfectly with THAT overall narrative? i don't think it's a huge mystery.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:50 (twelve years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Monday, October 31, 2011 8:44 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
my opinion, but 'more interesting story' > 'less interesting story' regardless of whether a particular image is trendy at that point in time
#salute to the industry from moving away from such unfortunate subjects as urban poverty in favor of sizzurp
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:50 (twelve years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Monday, October 31, 2011 8:50 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
of course you recognize that we had exactly the same arguments about those guys
& by the way surfboards knows what he's talking about when it comes to marketing and image presentation and why people care about things and why people consume things just FYI
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:51 (twelve years ago) link
this is probably more for the dynamic compression thread but i think the reason I prefer the Gibbs to either the ASAP or LEP albums is because its just such a better-engineered record than either
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:51 (twelve years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Monday, October 31, 2011 8:51 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah the thing here is that we're also talking about 'quality of music'
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:52 (twelve years ago) link
but that's not really what we're talking about
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:52 (twelve years ago) link
when i raised my issue w/ the buzz around asap rocky, do you really think it was because i dont understand that images can sell products?
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:54 (twelve years ago) link
you might argue that it's what we should be talking about, and you'd probably be right, but it's not what we're talking about
and you said it yourself when you mentioned odd future & the weekend threads -- when things like this happen, the discussion of WHY IS THIS POPULAR overshadows "hey, is this actually any good?" until the first conversation runs its course
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:54 (twelve years ago) link
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, October 31, 2011 9:54 PM (43 seconds ago) Bookmark
no, but you were also scratching your head as to why ASAP rocky's image has been able to sell his product
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:56 (twelve years ago) link
well, the fact is that 'image' now includes 'music' so yes i am scratching my head
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:56 (twelve years ago) link
look i don't necessarily like this either
people upped and stopped caring about a lot of my favorite rappers of the past five years -- lil boosie, dro are the main ones -- and it took a long time, like a year or more, for that to really sink in. i'm not sure how long it's gonna be until that era comes back.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:57 (twelve years ago) link
xxxp i can't get mad at one person for assuming somethign and then do the same thing in the same thread so sorry about assuming you have an LEP thing cuz of chicago
but the ASAP-type narrative is clearly resonating with the culture this year. he synthesizes many different inputs. his fashion looks like he just stepped out of a street style blog. this is what's hitting in post-kanye culture. and with OF and Weeknd taking off and then Drake basically co-opting the whole thing. that's mainstream now. so it's no wonder why he has more buzz because he's playing with the same set of clubs on the same course so to speak. he will be mainstream, buzz-makers saw him coming and got in line. for the clicks, of course
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:58 (twelve years ago) link
and the videos are stylish and involve drugs.
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 01:59 (twelve years ago) link
it's never really been about quality of music has it
what you think i rap for to drive a fucking rav 4
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 02:00 (twelve years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Monday, October 31, 2011 8:57 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
but they didn't -- dro more or less stopped making quality music & Boosie went to jail.
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 02:01 (twelve years ago) link
it's not right, but it's okaywe're gonna make it anyway
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 02:02 (twelve years ago) link
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, October 31, 2011 10:01 PM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark
this isn't true
i mean both of those things did happen, but both happened after their careers as mainstream rappers were effectively over
no what happened is the culture moved on
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 02:03 (twelve years ago) link
exactly
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 02:03 (twelve years ago) link
fwiw I am really enjoying this ASAP tape
not that we're actually talking about the music or anything....
― Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 02:04 (twelve years ago) link
yes i am too
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 02:04 (twelve years ago) link
lol. i think half is boring. i really like the one "Keep it G"
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 02:04 (twelve years ago) link
yeah the beat on that one is crazy
getting a lot of Bone Thugs & Three Six vibez from this
― Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 02:05 (twelve years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61%2BM5P1%2B0vL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
this album, the album that was the first commercially released boosie album AFTER "wipe me down", that had commercial singles and was in best buys, that nobody cared about and nobody bought? this was before boosie went to jail.
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 02:06 (twelve years ago) link
young dro but out a dope street rap single LAST YEAR with gucci (when he was still kinda hot) AND t.i. and it didn't even move the needle a millimeter
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 02:07 (twelve years ago) link
anyway what's the sample on "trilla", that's my fav song
asap ferg is hilariously anachronistic
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 02:09 (twelve years ago) link
was kinda assuming that was gonna be the token girl of the crew
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjpZ-ZTCP9o&feature=player_embedded
max b over the song of the year from prison
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 02:11 (twelve years ago) link
i wish there was video of him recording it
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 02:13 (twelve years ago) link
people ignoring Superbad was a fuckin shame cuz that shit goes hard
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 02:15 (twelve years ago) link
Lol at "the culture moved on" enjoy mac miller
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 02:16 (twelve years ago) link
the sample in the chorus of "Trilla" is from "They Want EFX", if that's what you meant
― Number None, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 02:17 (twelve years ago) link
Boosie's career dying was about his legal trouble. He was never eating off of fader coverage
― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 02:18 (twelve years ago) link
i think that's a utopian reading of the end of his career
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 02:19 (twelve years ago) link
some of those trill ent songs where the last pure, street rap singles from "the urban poor" that hit on a huge, pop level
boosie unfortunately couldn't ride that out
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 1 November 2011 02:20 (twelve years ago) link