deej is playing the role you all cast him in! you made him this way!!11!!!!!
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 5 November 2011 14:33 (twelve years ago) link
ha al otm
― The Reverend, Saturday, 5 November 2011 14:46 (twelve years ago) link
Al thats totally wrong this is more the clipse than kreayahawn
― AFAP Raggett (D-40), Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
i don't see how it has anything to do w/ clipse
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
Critics were unified in their backhanded dismissals of kreays "skills" but the phenomena of her getting 23 mill youtube hits and driving traffic for tons of readers was unavoidable.asap rocky has no more than a mil. hits on any song, big fader features and the internets busiest music critic describing his multitude of influences
― AFAP Raggett (D-40), Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
there isn't even remotely close to the critical fandom for rocky as there were for clipse
you finding one random blog that no one has ever heard of or will ever hear from again calling asap "the nirvana of rap" isn't even remotely close to what was happening w/ the clipse circa 06 -- the whole comparison is just backwards
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
asap has important ppl behind him in the industry and in the upper reaches of the press, but that's about it. neither of those two things was true about the clipse.
yeah a lot of this convo is about overnight success, lack of groundwork, focus on the rapper's eye-catching image/videos, getting signed off one song and a couple months of hype, things that don't really apply to the clipse
― prettyliketynandelong (some dude), Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
Asap rocky is being taken seriously in a way kreay never was. She had an actual hit that eventually made it to radio
― AFAP Raggett (D-40), Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:10 (twelve years ago) link
'taken seriously' is all relative. a lot of doors opened for her very quickly, and a lot of them were in terms of internet/critic attention.
― prettyliketynandelong (some dude), Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
The clipse comparison is about the clipse hype during the release of the "got it 4 cheap" stuff, id say its comparable --top-down niche following bcuz they fit the right aesthetic st the right time.
― AFAP Raggett (D-40), Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:13 (twelve years ago) link
A lot of doors opened for her because she drove tons of traffic al! No one gifted her that, it was the video
― AFAP Raggett (D-40), Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
there are some parts of the kreayshawn comparison that don't fit (deej is right about the traffic) BUT there are some similarities in terms of having, like, literally only two songs
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
And we've discussed this but the "critic attention" was almost uniformly negative
― AFAP Raggett (D-40), Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link
you act like she should've been received like nas on live at the bbq
― prettyliketynandelong (some dude), Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:18 (twelve years ago) link
I dont but lol post
― AFAP Raggett (D-40), Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:19 (twelve years ago) link
still think the closest comparison is odd future but w/e
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:20 (twelve years ago) link
I acted like ppl should stop bending over backwards to talk about how unskilled she was and pretending that "gucci gucci" was some kind of thing being "forced" on us when it ws rlly quite immediate
Asap has never had the same groundswell of support, now he will be that artist that even indie rock critics are voting for at year end time
― AFAP Raggett (D-40), Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link
Odd future were the new clipse except they found a big skater audience so they'll be ok after the critics forget about them as a hype cycle phenomenon, while kanye had to rescue pusha t
― AFAP Raggett (D-40), Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:25 (twelve years ago) link
Meanwhile how many of you check for can ox material? No? Before your time?
― AFAP Raggett (D-40), Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
i kinda doubt there's a larger % of skater kids in odd future's fanbase than in a lot of other young rap acts, that's more their image than their audience
― prettyliketynandelong (some dude), Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link
new pusha sucks btw
― sisilafami, Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
i disagree!
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
pretty good article on lex luger
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/magazine/lex-luger-hip-hop-beat-maker.html?_r=1&ref=music
sorry didn't see the waka thread
― sisilafami, Saturday, 5 November 2011 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
i think there's a good argument to be made that the pusha album is the best major label rap album released this year
of course there's almost literally zero competition, but still
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 5 November 2011 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
i'd take watch the throne and even gucci & waka over this.
― sisilafami, Saturday, 5 November 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link
i forgot about WTT. pusha is better than gucci/waka
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 5 November 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link
gucci/waka was p boring imo
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 5 November 2011 20:33 (twelve years ago) link
i liked neither WTT nor gucci/waka
― sisilafami, Saturday, 5 November 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link
pusha is pretty boring imo -- not bad but it is such a "major label rap record" in like every way
many of the beats are just aite
i think gucci/waka is a bit dull but will seem better once we've moved away from that sound
― AFAP Raggett (D-40), Saturday, 5 November 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link
pusha t record is like the 2011 equiv of slim thug's 'already platinum' but w/out '3 kings'
im rlly curious Al, since u brought up the asap thing again, if u are really feeling this track http://pitchfork.com/reviews/tracks/12731-palace/
― AFAP Raggett (D-40), Saturday, 5 November 2011 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
what most ppl in the industry are wondering isnt if hes odd future or kreay but if he's the next Drake, btw
― AFAP Raggett (D-40), Saturday, 5 November 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
http://thefsd.tumblr.com/post/2544944924/me-i-run-the-streets-bananas-chicagorilla
dope
― AFAP Raggett (D-40), Saturday, 5 November 2011 21:12 (twelve years ago) link
(thats old btw)
― AFAP Raggett (D-40), Saturday, 5 November 2011 21:18 (twelve years ago) link
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i'm confused, did you get the idea somewhere that i LIKE asap rocky's music and was defending it?
― prettyliketynandelong (some dude), Saturday, 5 November 2011 23:58 (twelve years ago) link
were you feeling gucci gucci? i mean when it comes down to it, the real truth of the matter is just that 'gucci gucci' is dope & most of asap's stuff is not
― AFAP Raggett (D-40), Sunday, 6 November 2011 00:10 (twelve years ago) link
imo
"gucci gucci" is a better song than "peso" sure, i agree w/ that. i have no idea what point you're trying to make or what you're trying to get me to 'admit' though. again, did you get the impression i was sticking up for rocky?
― prettyliketynandelong (some dude), Sunday, 6 November 2011 00:11 (twelve years ago) link
no, but it seemed like u were trying to point out some kind of hypocrisy or w/e in my perspective but it really is as simple as that
― AFAP Raggett (D-40), Sunday, 6 November 2011 00:15 (twelve years ago) link
not hypocrisy, just tedious inability to understand anything beyond the worldview you've set up around your own tastes and agendas
― prettyliketynandelong (some dude), Sunday, 6 November 2011 00:17 (twelve years ago) link
idg what puts you above the same thing? or anyone on this board? arent we always expressing these kinds of things? wtf is your point?
― AFAP Raggett (D-40), Sunday, 6 November 2011 00:28 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno it just seems like any parallel i drew between those two artists gets instantly knocked down by the objective truth of "but she's GOOD and he's NOT"
― prettyliketynandelong (some dude), Sunday, 6 November 2011 00:32 (twelve years ago) link
instantly? i didnt even mention that until the most recent post; i already made arguments abt audience, style, and relationship w/ media/critics prior to even bringing up quality, which happens to be an aspect u agree w/ me about, mr. nitpicker
― AFAP Raggett (D-40), Sunday, 6 November 2011 00:42 (twelve years ago) link
well i think her song is mildly more listenable/quotable than his, i'm not all SONG OF THE YEAR or w/e
― prettyliketynandelong (some dude), Sunday, 6 November 2011 00:44 (twelve years ago) link
al you're just being a dick right now
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 6 November 2011 00:46 (twelve years ago) link
sorry dudes, i just didn't understand why deej was all "review this asap rocky song for me it's important"
― prettyliketynandelong (some dude), Sunday, 6 November 2011 00:47 (twelve years ago) link
i don't actually think you're being a dick, i was just making a callback to the juiceman thread
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 6 November 2011 00:50 (twelve years ago) link