― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
It also works as kind of a moral lesson about the excess. When you're in a rock band, and you get so coked up every night that you start to think that fucking your band members is a good idea, even when they're married to other band members, these are the feelings you end up with.
Classic. Very.
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
I love the Peter Green era so much. Green is so much better a blues guitarist than Clapton it's not even funny. And I actually sort of like Clapton! He's just such a ripoff artist though, and you never get the sense he really feels any of it, save for Layla. Whereas we know Green was a troubled soul, and it really comes through in his music. Like he really needed to play the blues, maaaan.
But just the whole presentation is great, the hardcore blues covers (with that very good McVie Fleetwood rhythm section), the fabulous Green originals, Jeremy Spencer's sense of humor and SPOT-ON Elmore James rips (though a little definitely goes a long way), Danny Kirwan's shy introspective stuff.
The record that nailed it for me is Shrine '69. I swear it is one of the best live albums ever. It's just really taut and the setlist is great and the playing is flawless. You get the whole show - around 45 minutes - and it's just right. They were the opening band that night, and they just go out and rip through their tunes and it's a fun listen. Peter Green's playing and singing on the version of Little Willie John's "Need Your Love So Bad" is tremendous.
I better stop but of course Then Play On is great as is the BBC Sessions, which has a bunch of things that weren't recorded elsewhere (and a great version of "Rattlesnake Shake").
Oh yeah, Buckingham Nicks era is pretty rad as well.
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:39 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Friday, 21 March 2003 05:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
The worst thing for him is that I would be sort of interested in reading his books, but the writing of his I've read elsewhere has totally put me off.
Anyway, good on ya Kenan for digging that disc.
Also, I was sort of thinking: Isn't it weird that there is like thirtysomething replies to a thread about one of the weirdest (with the coming-and-going-of-different-personnel, the radical sound shifts), longest running, most "IMPORTANT" (certainly best-selling) groups around? Where are all the pop fans? Or is it all too maybe obvious.
Anyway a fascinating band.
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 21 March 2003 06:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― g.cannon (gcannon), Friday, 21 March 2003 06:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 23 March 2003 11:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Burr (Burr), Sunday, 23 March 2003 19:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 24 March 2003 11:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Nikayla Crews, Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:45 (twenty years ago) link
― the surface noise (electricsound), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:49 (twenty years ago) link
― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago) link
― Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:06 (twenty years ago) link
Yes hahah well Lindsey B is an androgynous punk god (just check the photos in the Tusk CD booklet - next to the other four he looks like he's wandered in from the Blitz Club). Stevie N is a hippy through and through but only an inadvertent punk goddess, which usually are the best ones.
― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 21 April 2004 07:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Janne (Janne), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 13:14 (twenty years ago) link
― retort pouch (retort pouch), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 13:56 (twenty years ago) link
The freak-out sounds very proto-postpunk to my ears! At least until the more bluesy part toward the end of it. I can imagine JD or The Sound making something similar...
― Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Wednesday, 21 April 2004 15:53 (twenty years ago) link
Even in the recording studio they can still write songs that are fresh and up-lifting, Still years left in them yet.
Only The Kinks are equal to the LIVE! performance you will see on the Fleetwood Mac - Say You Will World Tour.
ROCK ON... THE Mac
― James Knight Miller, Monday, 26 April 2004 17:21 (twenty years ago) link
― Macman, Tuesday, 20 July 2004 02:29 (twenty years ago) link
Danny Kirwan's song "Dragonfly" sounds not unlike the music that FM did with Buckingham/Nicks in the mid 70s. That song has that Byrds/Jefferson Airplane folk rock sound, which is something "Rumours" era FM expanded upon.
The compilation was great. Are any of the individual albums or records of the mid period with Bob Welch worth checking out?
― Earl Nash (earlnash), Thursday, 11 November 2004 02:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 02:41 (nineteen years ago) link
not according to the exit polls! someone must have fucked with his ballot.
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 11 November 2004 06:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 11 November 2004 10:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Masked Gazza, Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:18 (nineteen years ago) link
Utterly perfect (well, maybe not "Oh Daddy"...)
― PB, Monday, 11 April 2005 00:40 (nineteen years ago) link
I've been listening to "Mirage" lately and am reminded of how a great band -- Christine's harmonies, the McVie/Fleetwood rhythm section, say, working in tandem -- can give the frothiest of confections unexpected and even subversive undertones ("Book of Love," "Can't Go Back," "Eyes of the World").
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 11 April 2005 01:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― me, Monday, 11 April 2005 01:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― john'n'chicago, Monday, 11 April 2005 01:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Monday, 11 April 2005 01:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― Atnevon (Atnevon), Monday, 11 April 2005 03:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Monday, 11 April 2005 04:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 11 April 2005 08:01 (nineteen years ago) link
Also, "Silver Springs" was added to the remastered reissue last year.
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 11 April 2005 08:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 11 April 2005 08:50 (nineteen years ago) link
okay. i'll bite:she may be a better songwriter, but her arrangements are soundalike snorefests.
― john'n'chicago, Monday, 11 April 2005 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 11 April 2005 17:17 (nineteen years ago) link
shivers please don't make me.
having just listened to Fleetwood Mac, i am again amazed at how alike "Sugar Daddy" and "Say You Love Me" sound.
― john'n'chicago, Monday, 11 April 2005 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 11 April 2005 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link
anyway, i hear the same chords, bass riffs and vocal inflections all over her songs. even the songs of hers i dislike less (eg. "over and over") suffer from this.
― john'n'chicago, Monday, 11 April 2005 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link
Sorry, dunno what I was thinking when I wrote that. Obviously wasn't.
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 11 April 2005 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link
You're right. I'm listening to it for the first time and it sounds a lot like Joy Division, particularly the tone on the bass line. I can see the OK Computer comparison too with this track.
― the fucker that will burn you (sundar), Monday, 11 April 2005 23:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― PB, Monday, 11 April 2005 23:30 (nineteen years ago) link
Stevie > Christie
???
Don't Stop is amazing duh.
― Atnevon (Atnevon), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 01:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 01:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 01:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 01:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― john'n'chicago, Tuesday, 12 April 2005 02:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:04 (nineteen years ago) link
wow! i did not know that
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 1 December 2022 19:00 (one year ago) link
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0902/5612/products/fleetwood_mac_kiln_house_vinyl_inside_gatefold_grande.jpg?v=1629610717
Here's a pic of the gatefold: Cover design - Christine McVie
― peace, man, Thursday, 1 December 2022 19:05 (one year ago) link
She played some uncredited piano on it as well. In fact, she was on every regular Mac studio album except the first one and the Chicago Jam sets.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 1 December 2022 19:07 (one year ago) link
That's clearly her backing vocals on Station Man too
― his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Thursday, 1 December 2022 19:08 (one year ago) link
that live over and over from 1980 is so fucking good
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 1 December 2022 19:16 (one year ago) link
I've always been struck by how she introduces it in such a crestfallen way. "We haven't played anything from Tusk yet... [notable lack of audience reaction to the mention of what was then FM's white elephant] So we're going to play one for you... [silence continues]". But it's astonishing. That whole live album is excellent, even its downer moments - a Don't Stop, taken from a soundcheck, that is absolutely drained of the studio take's joie de vivre. It's like Lindsey's playing cinema verite with the album, offering a picture of where they were emotionally in 1980 as stark as the drugged-out portraits inside the gatefold.
― his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Thursday, 1 December 2022 19:22 (one year ago) link
Great description, stevie
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 December 2022 19:27 (one year ago) link
future games is my favorite pre-buckingham/nicks album
― akm, Thursday, 1 December 2022 20:29 (one year ago) link
Relistening to the pre Buck/Nicks LPs for the first time in ages tonight, that cover of Roadrunner off Penguin bangs. I mean, maybe it's such a great song you can't fuck it up, but it is very much in the pocket.
― his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Thursday, 1 December 2022 20:37 (one year ago) link
xp Absolutely. I think Christine's songwriting was pretty much fully developed by the time they made Bare Trees (and even before then she had at least a couple of gems). The most audible difference is what Buckingham brought as a producer.
i agree she already had her songwriting style down, but i’ve also seen both christine and lindsey make reference to the hours they’d spend jamming and writing stuff together. so his contribution wasn’t just production. the guitar keyboard interplay on christine songs post-lindsey joining is the best
― flopson, Thursday, 1 December 2022 22:59 (one year ago) link
I just learned he played guitar on "Got a Hold On Me."
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 December 2022 23:02 (one year ago) link
― flopson, Thursday, December 1, 2022 5:59 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I mentioned in the other thread (lol) how the 2017 album, he said, reminded him how in awe he was over her chops. As far as we know their bond was as two musicians, and they understood each other as far back as "World Turning."
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 December 2022 23:33 (one year ago) link
I mean:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbZZEzq94d8
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 December 2022 23:35 (one year ago) link
Made me realize that when Stevie Nicks finally dies I will -- after the mockery has passed -- be totally devastated.
Same.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 2 December 2022 00:00 (one year ago) link
In one of the two Ken Caillat books, he mentions that Buckingham was always helpful when working on McVie songs, without any drama arising.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 2 December 2022 00:56 (one year ago) link
Listening again to Kiln House this afternoon, it sounds like she's harmonizing on "Mission Bell" too.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 2 December 2022 21:41 (one year ago) link
The live version of "Tusk" sounds a lot more dire than the studio version, even with the accordion.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 3 December 2022 02:21 (one year ago) link
I think McVie and Buckingham were creating better material
In the main, maybe, but then there are "Dreams" and (especially) "Landslide," which are peerless.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 3 December 2022 02:25 (one year ago) link
https://www.discogs.com/master/1352330-Fleetwood-Mac-The-Alternate-Tango-In-The-NightWorth hearing?
― calstars, Wednesday, 5 April 2023 20:23 (one year ago) link
This was a good listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhMmI32LKtY
― earlnash, Saturday, 4 November 2023 21:41 (ten months ago) link