list of involuntary reactions to the new le tigre 'single'

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Using Green Gartside as an example to justify RELEASING RECORDS was pretty wacky btw

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 20 August 2004 12:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Texture > Text

sexyDancer, Friday, 20 August 2004 13:25 (nineteen years ago) link

It doesn't have either

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:26 (nineteen years ago) link

It wasn't so bad the second time I watched it

until the NO BLOOD FOR OIL part

())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Friday, 20 August 2004 13:32 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry, I was reffering to Give Peace a Chance again. The recorded rhythm on that record is amazing. Simultaenously wooden and elastic. "Says" more about group harmony than the vocal, which is also genius in it's grand, devotional focus to the small, fleeting moments in private decision.

As far as this le tigre is concerned, I have access to a recording of Eleanor Roosevelt telling a racist joke about the Japanese while entertaining troops, if we're all curious about what democracy sounds like.

But for the video, hey: they're shootin' hoops, brah!

sexyDancer, Friday, 20 August 2004 13:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Come on, I wanna see the viseo, where's a working version?
Someone mail it to me?

PLEASE!
I'M DESPERATE!!!

mei (mei), Friday, 20 August 2004 13:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh dear, Sterling is OTM, this DOES remind me of Carter USM

No wonder I loathe it so much.

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:14 (nineteen years ago) link

mei: there's a link upthread!

())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (ex machina, Friday, 20 August 2004 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Quicktime video links from the letigre site:

download

streaming

now for my 2c., awfulness is partly due to an affected earnestness, faux-naif, purposefully artless, etc. approach that le tigre seems to be adopting more and more. I think this also applies to the beasties protest song a while back that was received with equal disdain and horror. (not that it mitigates against their bad-ness, just a hunch on the "why")

arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Friday, 20 August 2004 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link

just now listening to sleater-kinney's "combat rock" makes me know realize how totally lame le tigre's song is.

frankE (frankE), Friday, 20 August 2004 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link

combat rock!? step aside!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 20 August 2004 20:04 (nineteen years ago) link

hey andrew i just think its interesting that the thousands of straight ilx guys who constantly bang on about wanting to be lesbians NEVER get treated to the same kind of vitriol KH does - for what? she never claims to be a lesbian nor to speak for lesbians but simply GIVES A FUCK about lesbian politics. (oh and some le tigre fans think KH is a dyke - that's her fault HOW?? i mean her relationship with ad-rock is pretty common knowledge!)

a little bit of background for you. not so long ago, straight white middle-class feminists were being criticised by other feminists for claiming to represent women when in fact they were espousing a straight white middle-class perspective on womanhood. Now when a woman supports lesbian politics, its a cromw cos apparently its "co-opting". perhaps some people around here think straight women should go back to their old heterosexist ways??

hey, and having a 16 year old girlfriend, while it might get you a bunch of envy round here, doesn't make your statement about "dumb 13 year old chicks" or whatever any less patronising and hateful.

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Friday, 20 August 2004 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Say it, Ms Lurex!

By the way, I just heard TKO on a Universal sampler I got from the record store where I work and it's much better.

Sara

Sara Sherr, Friday, 20 August 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

cromw = crime, btw.

combat rock!? step aside!

it rolllllllllls, dig it!

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Friday, 20 August 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

"Now when a woman" should say "now when such a woman"

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Friday, 20 August 2004 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link

It's a horrible song so I'm being a dick about it. KH's making beyond shitty music now so things that used to be kinda cool ("New Radio" mmm) just annoy me now, I suppose I should just stop caring. Haven't noticed any envy, and I'm always "patronising and hateful" to like EVERYONE pretty much, haven't you noticed?

Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Saturday, 21 August 2004 01:25 (nineteen years ago) link

ms lurex what straight ilx guys bang on about wanting to be lesbians!? i mean go rawr riot and soforth (though not with this song!) but no need to knockdown strawmen. (btw i luv lots of the bikini kill back catalog & reject all american was a truly awesome single)

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 21 August 2004 01:29 (nineteen years ago) link

on the other hand, the rest of yr. post OTM.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 21 August 2004 01:56 (nineteen years ago) link

The one thing I can fault here is that LT didn't go far enough. Hell, if I had a major label bankroll to blow though I'd certainly do more with it than throw together an amateur hour sound collage/video in GarageBand and iMovie.

As it stands, it's about as subversive as a Rage Against The Machine t-shirt.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 21 August 2004 05:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I am an ILX straight guy who will bang on about wanting to be a lesbian.

oh wait, you meant GIRLS who want to be...never mind...

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 August 2004 05:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I guess if you made a crap single then I should direct more vitriol your way?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 21 August 2004 06:13 (nineteen years ago) link

at least lennon had the decency to say "give peace a CHANCE," which tacitly acknowledges that there might be good arguments on the other side. he's saying peace might be worth a try, hey, why not. at the time, after years of war (a war on which virtually no one with lennon's degree of celebrity was willing to take such a fierce stand), this was a radical statement. (and vietnam lasted a lot longer, killed a lot more people and had even less of a reason for its prolongment than the iraq war) "peace! now!" repeated 40 times is just bullying and obnoxious and mindless.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Justyn most of her fans I know of think she's gay, she sings about gay stuff all the time, what do you think I'm talking about?

i don't know anyone who thinks KH is gay, i must be out of the loop. i guess what i meant was that your point seemed to be "you can only sing about 'lesbian stuff' (which KH hardly ever does anyway except as a gesture of support) if you're a lesbian and if you're not you can't be taken seriously," which seems more than a little dubious to me (do you hate DAVID BOWIE?). but i guess you'll just give me one of those "yeah whatever i don't care much PS have i mentioned this song SUCKS?" answers so hey, forget it.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

so you're saying people should only be tacitly anti-war? (xp)

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link

no, i mean, non-subtle statements about the war are useful too, they just seem pretty pointless at this stage, when both sides have made them a billion times over (and really "give peace a chance" is pretty explicitly anti-war, it just seems like a better statement than "peace now" for the reasons i stated).

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

"ms lurex what straight ilx guys bang on about wanting to be lesbians!? "

well, i've never banged on about it but....

my opinion of the song has nothing to do with lesbians or kathleen hanna though (i like a lot of le tigre's other stuff). it just sucks.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 22 August 2004 02:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey Sterling, two guys did step up to prove the 'straight guys going on about wanting to be lesbians'. I don't exactly understand that - it's like cows who are fooled by the slaughter yard having those circular corridors.

--, Sunday, 22 August 2004 05:49 (nineteen years ago) link

haha yeah. but on the other hand... Mock Lesbians

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 22 August 2004 15:07 (nineteen years ago) link

mei: there's a link upthread!
-- ())(())()()()(()(LASER)()()()LA(Z)E(R)()()()((L)()()(A)(S(E)R()()()) (j.dubz@RoffleStationZero), August 20th, 2004.


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Quicktime video links from the letigre site:
download

streaming


-- arch Ibog (archibog...), August 20th, 2004.


But that link doesn;t work (for me) using WinXP and IE6.
Where is it here?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v360/morethanrats/universal2.jpg


Or is it somewhere here?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v360/morethanrats/universal1.jpg

because the scrollbar arrows don't work for me.
I'm bot stupid, I'm using a common browser and I've tried hard to find the video, but I can't. Universal need new web-designers!

mei (mei), Monday, 23 August 2004 08:55 (nineteen years ago) link

oh no i have accidentally played this on repeat three times now and i think i am mad

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 August 2004 12:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha ha "accidentally"...

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Monday, 23 August 2004 13:11 (nineteen years ago) link

His finger could have slipped on the mouse button, why must you be so cruel?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 August 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link

the lemurs tell me to rebuke your vile mocking

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 August 2004 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Are they friendly lemurs? Is any one of them named Joey?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 August 2004 13:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Can't get it either. Following the details in the URL, it diverts to the main Universal webpage. I'm guessing it's down for one stupid web reason or another.

Shame. Song's terrible, but I want to see the vid too.

KG

Kieron Gillen, Monday, 23 August 2004 13:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Whew, I'm back.

When listening to a KORN track brings you back to some semblance of balance, you know you've been exposed to an awful song. I mean, the simple sloganeering and all don't bother me nearly as much as the feeling that I've heard this song about 500 times since 1988, only it was called "Def Con One"/"Touched By The Hand Of Cicciolina"/"You And Me And Everything"/"Cocaine Sex"/"Psyche-Out"/"World In Motion"/etc.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 August 2004 13:33 (nineteen years ago) link

A beautiful review, sir. And what is it about the technology they're using to make the track that it sounded like it's being broadcast through gauze.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 August 2004 13:34 (nineteen years ago) link

"i use a bullshit mic, that's made outta plastic"

it sounds like EBN trying to "go positive" - not as bad as people here have been saying, for exactly the reasons Dan points out in his last sentence, but just as bad as a positive-thinking, slow-tempo EBN record would be

i think some "show, don't tell" might be in order here

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 23 August 2004 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link

SWEAT...SUIT....SWEAT...SUIT

oh, Nelly!

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 23 August 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree with Tracer that it isn't that bad; I like all of the songs I listed but if I want to hear something that sounds like late 80s/early 90s grebocrunch, I play one of the above records. Also, accidentally putting it into an MP3 player that's set to repeat and not noticing for ten minutes because the song seems to have no discernable beginning or end doesn't bode well for its construction as a standalone piece of music.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 August 2004 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link

so i finally heard it. it kinda sounds like what i'd expect chilean death squads to play over soccer stadium speakers to crush the spirits of dissidents. so, hey, maybe it's "working."

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 23 August 2004 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link

ha! ;)

sexyDancer, Monday, 23 August 2004 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I like how the people who says its not that bad all say it because they've endured lots of shit like this back in the late '80s. I cherish my innocence and continue to say this is some embarassing crap.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 23 August 2004 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link

And I think I'll put off buying that Wax Trax box set.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 23 August 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Your loss, dude.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 August 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

you would say that

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 23 August 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Of course! Because I'm right!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 August 2004 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

FOR THE RECORD none of the records I mentioned were associated with Wax Trax! (except MAYBE the Shamen record).

Also FOR THE RECORD another listen shows that this song is, um, really really embarrassing. It's like they listened to On-U Sound System and said, "You know what would really make this style great? MAKING IT SUCK LIKE VACUUM!"

I am all for facile sloganeering but this doesn't work for me (largely because it is shit). Following it up with Limited Warranty's "The Man In The Can" is giving me great pleasure, though.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

the wax trax reference if anything should reaffirm my innocence (ignorance) re: late '80s sound collages.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

"Kray Twins" is a good follow up, too

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link


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