Acts whose entire album output has always been on the decline, with no exception

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Oingo Boingo?

Patrick South (Patrick South), Monday, 29 May 2006 19:44 (eighteen years ago) link

The Cars, maybe

While I may agree their debut was their best, I would certainly rank "Heartbeat City" ahead of "Panorama".

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 29 May 2006 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Tuomas - it's just to me it seems that on "Music for the Jilted Generation" they pretty much knew what sound and what direction they wanted, and in that respect it's a more coherent record compared to Experience, that's why i think that Experience is more experimental. And on some days i would probably agree that "Music" > "Experience".

Ok, so i change my answer to Gus Gus.

scnnr drkly (scnnr drkly), Monday, 29 May 2006 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Eno's mathematically perfect descent into soporific noodling seems the obvious answer:

Here Come the Warm Jets > Taking Tiger Mountain > Another Dull World > loads of subsequent records I can't be bothered to remember the names of, and so on

Hot Hot Heat (Hot Hot Heat), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 07:34 (eighteen years ago) link

The Only Ones (the second album is still great, though).

Mats Blomqvist (Blomqvist), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 09:42 (eighteen years ago) link

has anyone said DEVO yet ?

grapple (grapple), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 10:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Re: Boston; Commercially, you can express their decline mathematically (appropriately enough).

Number of Boston songs still on US 'classic rock' radio playlists, by LP:

1st LP: 9 songs (the entire LP!)
2nd LP: 3 songs
3rd LP: 1 song
4th LP: 0 songs
5th LP: 0 songs

I think that works out to 3^(3-n), where n is the LP sequence number. Round results to the nearest whole number.

drench, Tuesday, 30 May 2006 11:38 (eighteen years ago) link

>has anyone said DEVO yet ? <

yep, see May 19, 2005 above (but also my caveat, since the third album was probably better than the second one. unless it wasn't.)

xhuxk, Tuesday, 30 May 2006 11:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Kool and The Gang nope. Although Wild and Peaceful, Light of Worlds and Spirit of the Boogie are hardly consistently great they are all better than 'Kool and the Gang'.

Some days I think Led Zeppelin would fit here.

Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 12:46 (eighteen years ago) link

and mirwais is obviously a twat, everybody agrees. have you listened to music lately? it's awful

"Music" is great. Reminds me of the good old synthpop that I used to enjoy in the good old early 80s, back when mainstream pop was still good and did not suck like in the 90s.

"Take a Bow" is just a boring mainstream ballad. Reminds me of Mariah Carey or Whitney Houston.

Boston good call btw. (Devo not good call. "Oh No It's Devo" was their best)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link

no way, the fifth Boston album is WAY better than the fourth!

(OK, I had no idea there was a fifth.)

dave's good arm (facsimile) (dave225.3), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 13:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Moby Grape - a stonewall one that

would seem that they define this thread...tho i've never neard "the melvilles" reunion record which, by some accounts, comes close to the debut.

Lawrence the Looter (Lawrence the Looter), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link

totally disagree re: Biggie.

deeej, Tuesday, 30 May 2006 15:01 (eighteen years ago) link

re devo - 'oh no' > 'new traditionalists'

roxy music

dave q (listerine), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Modern Talking

scnnr drkly (scnnr drkly), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link

This is way more usual in the movie world btw (Police Academy, anyone?)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Son Volt, but I then there isn't place to go after "Trace" but down.

Faithful Shooter (faithfulshooter), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm going to stick in a bid for "Famous Last Words" as being M's best album, actually.

And I'm going to be alone in that opinion, but what the hell.

My nomination: The Pursuit Of Happiness.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 04:26 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Big & Rich

xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 02:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Pantera, if you don't count the pre-major-label stuff.

Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 02:41 (sixteen years ago) link

New York Dolls
David Johansen (solo career)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 02:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Hootie & the Blowfish?

Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 02:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Blue Cheer, maybe.

Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 02:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Montrose.

Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:00 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm tempted to say Plaid, although they're very first stuff (i.e. the first half of the 1st disc of trainer) doesn't touch their 94'ish stuff.

mehlt, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Meat Loaf

Mark Rich@rdson, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:02 (sixteen years ago) link

No way, Bat Out Of Hell II totally smokes his 80s stuff.

Jeff Treppel, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, duh, I was only thinking of the Steinman records.

Mark Rich@rdson, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:07 (sixteen years ago) link

xhuxk, I haven't read the other thread, but would you really rank Dream of Life over Gone Again? (Maybe you would, just curious.)

Sundar, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:12 (sixteen years ago) link

New York Dolls

Hells no. The debut rocks like everybody's business. But In Too Much Too Soon is even more inclusive than that, popping and rocking with equal amounts of glee. It's the greatest album of the 1970s.

So definitely not the Dolls (although I usually go the Xgau cheat route and choose that 1978 Brit comp that includes both albums).

Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:53 (sixteen years ago) link

greatest album of the 70s??? really???

ian, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Is it really possible that Liz Phair's newer albums are worse than Whip-Smart? I somehow manage to own a copy of that album...I've listened to it once and it was one of the worst things I've ever heard.

Reatards Unite, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 03:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Did you like her first record?

Mark Rich@rdson, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 04:09 (sixteen years ago) link

greatest album of the 70s??? really???

Unquestionably.

Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 04:09 (sixteen years ago) link

You outcho damn mind

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 04:23 (sixteen years ago) link

OK what's your choice, kemosabe?

Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 04:45 (sixteen years ago) link

The House of Love

Pillbox, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 05:34 (sixteen years ago) link

eno is an interesting option here, because i do kind of agree with that, but I would say that the actual slope of his decline is very, very gradual, and the degrees of 'worseness' between each record are very slight.

akm, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 05:39 (sixteen years ago) link

flying burito bros

Frogman Henry, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 07:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Feel free to shoot me down: Bjork.

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 09:29 (sixteen years ago) link

The Dolls' debut and their second album are really really really close, and both really great. I'd give the first one the edge myself, but I can definitely see how the second one adds more roll to the rock, and they're both among the best albums of the '70s. So I'm not gonna fight Kevin on that one.

By the same token, there are days I think Warrant's followup was better than their debut, too, and Dog Eat Dog and Ultraphobic are both way better than most people give them credit for, but Warrant might well belong on this thread anyway, for slight incremental dropoffs (sort of like Eno!)

Rednex? Aqua? (They both eventually made third albums, right? Never heard them, but I doubt they'd be as good as the first two, and in both cases the second one was a major dip from the first.) The Briefs? Black Lips? (The latter still making good albums, but seems there's a gradual steady decline there.) How good is the third Electric Six album?

xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 11:00 (sixteen years ago) link

I hate to say this, but sometimes I feel this way about Curtis Mayfield, especially if you only count his studio albums. There's still lots of good songs on his latter albums, but none of them reach the same glorious levels as Curtis. He made so many records that there's bound to be some ebb and flow though, some of his disco material is probably better than his mid-to-late nineties soul records.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 11:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Feel free to shoot me down: Bjork

Oi! Michael! No!

Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 11:36 (sixteen years ago) link

The Velvet Underground

Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 11:43 (sixteen years ago) link

KELIS.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 11:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Generation X
Billy Idol (solo career)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 12:12 (sixteen years ago) link

The Living End

X, maybe. (I know the consensus has always been than Wild Gift was better than their debut, but I've never been totally convinced of that.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 12:25 (sixteen years ago) link

David Banner -- at least if you don't count Screwed and Chopped albums (the S&C Mississippi is better than the non-S&C one), and don't count whatever he did for tiny labels pre-Mississippi (I've never heard that Firewater Boyz or Crooked Lettaz stuff, but that's a group, right?)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 12:36 (sixteen years ago) link

DJ Shadow, maybe?

xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 12:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Static X

xhuxk, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 12:40 (sixteen years ago) link


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