like, as an individual covering a scene, at some point you step back and realize that however much you're a part of a scene you're covering a phenomenon much larger than yourself and your tastes
otoh i would never put myself in a position of trying to capture the entirety of rap in chart form so more kudos for their ambition i suppose
― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:04 (twelve years ago) link
another thing is that i feel like there was a time where it was understood that at some level a spin reader was outside of what was going on in hip-hop & wanted to see coverage of the scene as it existed; now a spin reader sees themselves as part of the narrative, as impacting the narrative.
i mean, maybe it was like this in the 90s, i don't remember. but i cant imagine spin did heavy 2pac coverage? or bone thugs coverage? those were the biggest rappers in the country at one point, Drake style. and spin fans might like that stuff, but it wasn't a part of the music-that-spin-covered was it? idk i'm spitballing i didnt really read much spin back then, at least not to find out about rap
― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link
(that's not intended to be an argument, with the last post i'm throwing an idea out there & seeing what ppl think about it because I'm not really sure)
― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
I had a subscription to Spin in the early 90s, I don't really remember them covering hip hop at all. I remember their story on NWA and Eazy-E ordering piroggies at some expensive Russian restaurant but that's pretty much it.
― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:09 (twelve years ago) link
so yeah. maybe w/ the internet and the erosion of 'genre boundaries' people 'outside' hip-hop feel more empowered to involve themselves in it & make their voice heard as to how it's 'supposed' to sound where at one time webbie might be a lot more central to what was going on in rap, now the traditional rap audience has become simply a strain of rap while spin's perspective on rap becomes another (i'm envisioning that spin chart as being like that new yorker cover of 'a new yorker's view of the united states')
― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
well, i guess if you're concerned with creating a prism to reflect rap through a readership then it succeeds? i would prefer a more journalistic perspective personally― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, November 16, 2011 2:03 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, November 16, 2011 2:03 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
man, you sound like a fucking idiot sometimes
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link
please spell it out for me
― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link
im a simple regional thug
your beef is essentially like complaining that Kanye and Gaga get all daily Rolling Stone news updates while Adele quietly sells more than either. Yes, deej, sometimes a magazine is conscious of what its readers want to read about, so you don't need to act all babe in the woods offended that a mag that had St. Vincent on the cover a few months ago is focusing on Cities Aviv instead of the more "fair" portrayal of Yung Berg or whatever.
Like seriously, the issue is hipping people to Mouse on Tha Track and Gunplay and Starlito/Don Trip. Forgive the spoon full of sugar, man.
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link
ok at least we have an acknowledgement of the distortion from the top i ws kind of worried
― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link
i thought the chart was okay... there were definitely some weird choices but i guess there would never be a consensus on this kind of thing.
idk, deej if it's any solace, the thing is so sprawling that no one will be able to remember much of anything that's in it
― yo zuccotti (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
lol whiney wtf @ Yung Berg
yung berg should've had his own circle for "Rappers That Unsuccessfully Sold Their Souls" -- him and tyga
― yo zuccotti (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link
lol "distortion"
i mean, what, when indie rock dudes were obsessed over Def Jux and Stones Throw it's not a "distortion" that P4k was interviewing MF Doom instead of JT Money
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:32 (twelve years ago) link
lets talk about other rap now i'm bored w this
e padgett recommended this short dawg mixtape to me, its got some jams
plus you get to hear Z-Ro over a Timbaland beat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR6INQbE7Mw
― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link
lol where is Berner
xxp
― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
lets talk about other rap now i'm bored w this hardsonned in critbeef
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― yo zuccotti (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link
there def was a slant in the piece towards artists that we know brandon covets but not many people actually care about (cities aviv, stalley) but i think any of us would basically do the same thing given the opportunity
i mean shit i wrote about travis porter for p4k
― yo zuccotti (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
travis porter is popular though
― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:44 (twelve years ago) link
you're not getting this
christ alive i haven't been 'sonned' by anything whiney -- if anything you just admitted i'm entirely right about this
― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
comparing travis porter to stalley or cities aviv like ... what?
― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
If your argument is "this magazine is likely slanted to the things that its readers want to read about" then wow you're right, but also SPIN is the least of your worries, doggy
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link
"Ugh, why is the New York Times talking about Guantanemo, don't they know that American Idol has more YouTube views?"
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, November 16, 2011 2:44 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i'm definitely getting what you're saying -- i'm saying that clearly brandon paid deference to a few artists that he likes that aren't as popular as many other artists but i would probably do the same thing. so, shoot me.
― yo zuccotti (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:52 (twelve years ago) link
i dont think the three of us are disagreeing about anything in that case
― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
so how have i been 'sonned' exactly?
Because I correctly called you a fucking idiot and you changed the subject
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link
can't you guys just bond over your hatred of hipsters
― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
*sigh*
― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 20:03 (twelve years ago) link
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:51 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
wait so stalley is like Guantanamo in this parallel? suspect.gif
― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
oh oh what's going on? can someone give me the goons notes version on this one?
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
there's a big chart in spin. i find it takes a distorting photo of rap. whiney believes this is a necessary evil since it is for a certain readership. jordan would do the same thing if he was making such a chart.
tell me if i missed anything
― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 20:10 (twelve years ago) link
you can see the chart here http://www.spin.com/articles/insanely-obsessive-infographic-tries-vain-diagram-hip-hop-galaxy
― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
btw i'm not talking about the chart, which is kind of an impossible task anyway
i'm talking about brandon's actual story
― yo zuccotti (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ yo zuccotti
― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, November 16, 2011 7:26 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Is Gunplay even on there? (I'm old and sightless).
That said, I get your point.
― irrational, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link
is the 50 mixtapes sidebar online or am i gonna have to stand in barnes & noble for 10 mins to catch that
― yo zuccotti (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
ugh
― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
hearing bad things about the yelawolf
― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
guys 3 hrs til the master p tape drops B-)
― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
na na na na
― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHiXBkTXkWc
yet another killer big k.r.i.t. beat
― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 21:16 (twelve years ago) link
Source loved the new Yelawolf and XXL gave it an XL, however XXL these days would give an XL to Lil Wayne scat-singing over amplified farts...
― no jesus, no piece (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
so, Rebirth?
― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
I'll listen to the new Yela and get backto you goons tmrw morn
gon spin that myself tonight between skyrim moments
― do you want me to share what i know w/ you or not? (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link
i agree with deej in today's goonbeef but iirc he defended p4k's 10.0'ing of MDBTF last year on the same grounds
― MODS DID 10/11 (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link
Ima switch course and profess my love for Savage Life 3
― no jesus, no piece (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link