solution for overseas piracy = destroy all boats
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 14 January 2012 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
the industry had the power to take control of this in the fallout of Napster and didn't. Here we are more than 10 years later and the industry is still trying to shut everything down rather than just make content available. If it weren't so hellbent on retrofitting its antique structure into the 21st century we would already be well on the way to a non-SOPA solution imo.
this is what "the adult in the room" would actually say btw
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 14 January 2012 23:51 (twelve years ago) link
otm
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 14 January 2012 23:52 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know whether that's a compliment or a zing
― Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 14 January 2012 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
and now, a lol break
http://torrentfreak.com/images/rupert.jpg
complete with 'you are hurting the artists'
― Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 14 January 2012 23:58 (twelve years ago) link
One day all of the artists will just decide not show up to work and stop making art and then we'll be sorry!
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 15 January 2012 00:11 (twelve years ago) link
― Neanderthal, zondag 15 januari 2012 0:05 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
well the lulzboat, surely
― I certainly wouldn't have, but hey. (Le Bateau Ivre), Sunday, 15 January 2012 00:51 (twelve years ago) link
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:51 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
completely disagree. didnt you just otm rudolphus tarantino, who said exactly what i did?
you're confusing 'music' with 'piracy.' if we can all get free films from overseas it essentially guts an industry that relies on a lot more investment. The tipping point for films hasn't been reached the way it has w/ music but I think it's just as reasonable (and obviously w/ services like Netflix studios are hoping to head off the worst of it better than the music industry did)
― I Love Pedantry (D-40), Sunday, 15 January 2012 09:30 (twelve years ago) link
sorry for using djp's real name, i wasnt thinking. a mod can edit that
― I Love Pedantry (D-40), Sunday, 15 January 2012 09:31 (twelve years ago) link
shit wasn't even heated
― little blue souvenir (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 15 January 2012 10:08 (twelve years ago) link
just make content available.
what the fuck does this even mean?
― flopson, Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:32 (twelve years ago) link
lol @ rudolphus tarantino
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Sunday, 15 January 2012 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
SOPA dead, PIPA still in progress. Wikipedia's blackout day still going ahead iirc.
― Autumn Almanac, Monday, 16 January 2012 20:26 (twelve years ago) link
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petition-tool/response/combating-online-piracy-while-protecting-open-and-innovative-internet
― this is funny u bitter dork (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 05:18 (twelve years ago) link
can I just point out that when I said "this isn't going to happen", I was OTM
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
and i'm perfectly happy to say you were right!
― some dude, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
maybe next I'll play the lottery, clearly the world is temporarily bending to my will
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link
I always liked Canada's solution of accepting that piracy will occur but just charging an extra tax on CD-Rs and CD burners that goes to the industry.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link
that's what they do in the US too
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
i mean i totally agree with the "industry should have done something in 2000 instead of just pretending the internet would go away" comments.
the thing that struck me about sites like oink is that cost aside they were so much easier and better than any legal alternative. I mean I was one of those guys who would pay $30-40 to import discs or buy OOP stuff on eBay (of which the industry sees not one dime) and the whole time I was just thinking "I would definitely pay for this service if I could!" Look at what Nintendo has done with the "virtual console", now they're making tons of money with no effort by just screwing over the resellers, which is the way it ought to be.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
i was talking to a guy recently who produced a Japanese band and was learning about the whole music/entertainment industry over there and how generally just the whole idea of music piracy never caught on over there that much and people are happy to pay for music just like they always have, makes me feel like things like Napster kind of sensationalizing the whole phenomenon and getting people excited about the act of 'stealing' music is really how we got where we are and really could've gone down much differently
― the name of a bar in Portland where I had a dark night of the soul (some dude), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
The whole "if only the music industry had figured out a way to charge me money for digital files earlier I wouldn't want them for free" argument strikes me as JUST A BIT po faced.
― extremely lewd and incredibly crass (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
there should just be one private tracker w/ all the music in the world
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not saying THAT per se, hurting, just that cultural attitudes and the sequence of certain events contributed to the current situation much more than just "once music could be free people only wanted it for free, end of story"
― the name of a bar in Portland where I had a dark night of the soul (some dude), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
I dont think the attitude shifted so much toward "I want everything to be free" as it did "I want everything to be available".
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
I mean, mp3s don't really have any value on their own so the whole issue gets complex. For example, I think it's fair to say that a person who gets three new albums in a month should pay $10 a piece for them, but if someone downloads a thousand albums every month it's not really fair to say that they owe $10,000 monthly or that he's getting $10k worth of "value" from those mp3s.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
it has never mattered how much 'value' someone actually gets out of ownership of an object. that's not how our society works.
― the name of a bar in Portland where I had a dark night of the soul (some dude), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 17:47 (twelve years ago) link
So if I decide I want to eat a thousand loaves of bread per month instead of two or three, I should only have to pay for three because I'm more efficient at getting "value" out of my bread?
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
I mean horrible analogy aside, I don't think consuming anything in bulk means you shouldn't have to pay per unit. Sure, economies of scale to buy things in bulk but music doesn't work that way unless you are going to download four thousand copies of the same Max B mixtape.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link
― frogbs, Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:44 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
why on earth would you think this was fair to say
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 17:52 (twelve years ago) link
i've seen some right-on/cynical commentary putting the backlash against SOPA in the context of the non-backlash against the PATRIOT re-up, detention bills, etc.
lolcats have a bigger constituency that 'terrorists' i guess...
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link
its a totally different situation because someone still has to make the bread. you don't have to make copies of an album. the analogies to physical materials don't work on the same level. would an artist prefer to have someone buy one song for $5 but not buy anything else, or an entire album for $10?
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
what do you mean?
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 17:59 (twelve years ago) link
of course the price-per-unit of almost anything drops when a consumer gets that item in larger quantities. that has little to do with how or how much they use it, though, or how much effort it takes to produce the item.
― the name of a bar in Portland where I had a dark night of the soul (some dude), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
do you think mp3s are like unicorns, with no actual physical existence or something
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link
they are!
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
when you publish Frogbsonomics, I'm going to buy every copy (for the price of five copies) and light them all on fire
― the name of a bar in Portland where I had a dark night of the soul (some dude), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
you don't have to make copies of an album.
but you did a few years ago! until perfect cd copying and then perfect digital replication and storage hit dirt-cheap consumer levels. but the costs to produce/market/promote the product are still budgeted for a hard-copy world. that's the whole problem.
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
also, electronic files ARE a copy of the album
the fact that it's effortless to copy and doesn't take up room on a bookshelf doesn't mean that you haven't made a copy and it isn't taking up actual space on your hard drive
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
well finding 3 megabyes of storage space is not that expensive in 2012
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
bytes
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
it does when the item is essentially free for the seller! when you sell a loaf of bread, you no longer have the loaf of bread. you cannot sell it any longer. that's why I don't think the economics should work the same, or why the public views it the same way. I think most people rationalize piracy with "I wouldn't have bought that anyway, so nobody gets hurt" which is a much more "valid" rationalization than any other kind of stealing
pretty much
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:05 (twelve years ago) link
the correct analogy here is photocopying a textbook btw
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
you can't buy "every" copy because I'm talking about infinitely replicable nonphysical objects!
― frogbs, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
haha the textbook market is even more fucked up than the music one
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
yes, I know!
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
the news business is a good analogy. it's almost exactly the same problem i think.
― Critique of Pure Moods (goole), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I agree w/ that
― iatee, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
sadly, you don't have millions of kids staring longingly at CSPAN going "someday I'm gonna write a paper about this $$$$$$$"
― Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
The physical cost of CDs and their packaging was always a relatively small part of the overall cost of bringing a record to market.
― extremely lewd and incredibly crass (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link