what was the indie label she signed to that folded?
― akm, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
five points?
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/lana-del-rey-to-re-release-first-album-20120127
― the star of many snuff films (Edward III), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
"My publicists, in their long career, say they have never seen someone be more fictionalized," she griped
― Number None, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
oh the irony
― the star of many snuff films (Edward III), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
that album is pretty good, not sure yet but as a whole i might like it better than born to die.
― ⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 27 January 2012 19:55 (twelve years ago) link
the drums do my head in
― Number None, Friday, 27 January 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
"Miley fucking Cyrus probably wants to make a rap album."
would buy. or borrow from chuck.
― scott seward, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:02 (twelve years ago) link
something deeply gross about the endless, fascinated tearing at LDR's persona, appearance and authenticity. say this as someone who's been involved ITT this thread and is as guilty as anyone. not sure why, but the more the story builds and the more people position and reposition themselves relative to the artist and image, the more repulsive it all becomes.
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:04 (twelve years ago) link
So the previous record is "Lana Del Ray A.K.A. Lizzy Grant" not "Lana Del Rey"? That's some Bri/yan McFadden shit
― kinder, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link
its just gossip and stuff. just some gals talking. what's the big deal?
x-post
― scott seward, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
Lana Del Boy
― kinder, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:07 (twelve years ago) link
if you can't pick on semi-celebrities who the hell can you pick on?
― scott seward, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, January 27, 2012 3:04 PM
some of the more interesting discussions are related to this imo - she has positioned herself in a way that forces ppl to talk about this shit
if you don't want to talk about persona, appearance, and authenticity maybe you shouldn't be in a thread about a youtube pop star on ilm?
that said you are always welcome contendo and I'd like to hear yr thinking cap applied to LDR if you can successfully combat the disgust
― the star of many snuff films (Edward III), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link
― the star of many snuff films (Edward III), Friday, January 27, 2012 12:13 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
posted quite a bit upthread. popstars represent ideals, and those ideals are often sexual and/or romantic. so it's natural that people respond to them on that level. but i kind of agree with judith (way upthread) that there's a particular narrative of initial interest followed by unmasking and finally by disgust with the expose/ruined object that attaches itself to "sexy" female popstars. that understanding makes me queasy about all the endless bickering about who she really is, why she's chosen the imagery and character she has, and whether or not she deserves the interest/acclaim she's received.
with all that in mind, i wonder whether it might suit the marketers of female pop artist to present her as "pre-ruined", so that a narrative of unmasking, shame and derisive contempt are built into her initial pop offering. you could even write it into the lyrics of a song...
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link
i really think that nitsuh wrote about this on his tumblr / nymag better than anyone
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
I dunno man, you just described the hype/backlash cycle, that doesn't seem to be unique to "sexy" female stars
ideas/ideals of the feminine are deeply rooted in what she is doing, the coda song of her (by all accounts, exquisitely crafted) album is called "this is what makes us girls", even if you restrict the conversation to talking about her music and not the marketing it's something that's gotta get addressed
xp
― the star of many snuff films (Edward III), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
oh and look, nitsuh starts his nymag article talking about said song
http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2012/01/lana-del-rey-lurching-toward-vegas.html
― the star of many snuff films (Edward III), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
so, what lessons did we learn from this entire phenomenon?
― ⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
jeez louise, queasy? you are on an internet message board. on the internet! plus, a lot of what you described are things that make the whole damned thing interesting. how people react to things. i think its interesting. kinda. plus, it's friggin' january. i mean come on.
― scott seward, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
New board description
― Number None, Friday, 27 January 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
I don't think this stuff is gross or weird, and I don't think LDR should read her press instead of weighing it. Most of the articles on her are less actually about her than about the other people writing about her. Meta music journalism run amok, replete with fast fields of strawman controversies. She just happens to be the lightning rod in the center of it all.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 27 January 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
never give up on your dreams. it may take years and years of work to get a chance to suck on SNL, but no one can take your ILM singles poll ranking from you.
― the star of many snuff films (Edward III), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
except azaelia banks
― ⚓ (gr8080), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:03 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not surprised she's rereleasing the first album, it would go a long way toward dispelling the idea that she can't sing at all, it's very pretty in places; it's not as 'adventurous' and it's hardly a pop masterpiece but it has some really great stuff on it.
― akm, Friday, 27 January 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link
christ this thread
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 27 January 2012 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
well that lovefest for frogbsthis morning ended quickvideo games
― future debts collector (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link
imma ruin you cuntimma ruin you cuntvideo gaaaames
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link
ha
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
"I think people really throwing hate her way are threatened by her and her DSLs"
2nd comment on Nitsuh's piece in NY Mag
― Quand le déshonneur est public, il faut que la vengeance soit (Michael White), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:13 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno. my response here was personal and perhaps not too sensible. something crystallized in my head when dan contrasted getting lip injections for the image with being "authentic" and bateau followed up with that depressing "sex doll at the piano" photo (which may have some subtext i'm missing, i dunno). i just got the heebie-jeebies. and i don't really mean to accuse anyone in particular.
thing is, and though i'm as fucked up about it as anyone else (see my first post itt), i have a very hard time with appearance-based criticism when it's directed at female pop stars. the demands placed upon them are so elevated, so grotesque and so internally conflicted. i'm just amazed that anyone survives it.
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
and it's the internet and it's january and i'm an overearnest dork, i know, but every once in a while, i just hit the wall. no one's fault but mine, and i probably should have just gone back to that delightful racism thread.
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
Is this much different than say Vampire Weekend going from blog sensation to backlash over perceived lack of "authenticity" once their privileged backgrounds got more press attention.
― o. nate, Friday, 27 January 2012 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Friday, January 27, 2012 5:11 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
hah
― lag∞n, Friday, 27 January 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
Me will mek yuh run out a mi houseInna half ah frockvideo games
― Yeah Yeah Bohney (Craigo Boingo), Friday, 27 January 2012 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
running from the cops in our black bikini topsLAST FRIDAY NIGHT
― dave cool, Saturday, 28 January 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
― guilt is a useless emoticon (D-40), Friday, January 27, 2012 3:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
no offense to nabisco but why don't you just save us some time and only tell us when you DON'T think he wrote the definitive article on a subject
― markarles (some dude), Saturday, 28 January 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link
I'm enjoying the album a fair bit more than I'd expected to, although several of the tracks sound a lot more like Britney than I'd have guessed.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 29 January 2012 19:12 (twelve years ago) link
saw this via ann powers/facebook:
http://amyrebeccaklein.tumblr.com/
saw this also via facebook:
http://flavorwire.com/252898/just-the-music-an-experimental-review-of-lana-del-reys-born-to-die
― scott seward, Sunday, 29 January 2012 19:51 (twelve years ago) link
Recently, the author Sara Marcus told me something surprising: Femininity’s dictionary definition is nothing more than “having qualities traditionally ascribed to women, effeminate, and womanish.” I looked it up to confirm, and it turned out that she was right. In other words, femininity, when you look it up in the dictionary, is entirely vacant of meaning—nothing more than a signifier for itself. Isn’t it strange that no part of “the feminine” says anything about what women really are? It strikes me as significant that the word “femininity” is a mirror of itself, endlessly reflecting our own beliefs.
for fuck's sake
masculinity (noun): possession of the qualities traditionally associated with men
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Sunday, 29 January 2012 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
oh man that quote. has marcus ever looked at a dictionary? b/c there are a million words defined that way.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 29 January 2012 22:51 (twelve years ago) link
recursively i mean.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 29 January 2012 22:52 (twelve years ago) link
e.g. eccentricity: "the quality of being eccentric."
http://www.millsworks.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/writing_process.gif
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 29 January 2012 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
ARK piece is generally OTM when it comes to LDR and the consumption/loathing of, but the first half is full of unsupported generalities, truisms passed off as truth, and cheap deck-stacking:
Although both the feminine and the masculine represent social constructions, detached from the realities of who people are, it is important to realize that we attach to femininity a series of external, and therefore performable, qualities, while we attach to masculinity more qualities that are internal, native to the self. Try to make a list of the qualities we associate with men: Strength, intelligence, conviction, opinion, reason, declarations, freedom, anger, violence, forcefulness. Then try to list what you read as feminine: Good hair, good makeup, vacillation of opinion, caring for others, and gentleness, perhaps. The first thing you’ll notice is that feminine qualities are more superficial and less descriptive of identity. The second thing you’ll notice is that it’s harder to make a list of internal feminine qualities because we in fact don’t really talk about what women really are, below the surface of what appeals to us.
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Sunday, 29 January 2012 23:00 (twelve years ago) link
i kind of wish academic cultural studies never happened. it just gives people an opportunity to sound imposingly smart while making unfounded claims.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 29 January 2012 23:11 (twelve years ago) link
judy berman's review (the second piece scott linked) is far worse. first of all, it's profoundly dishonest. it pretends that it intends to discuss the music and only the music, then immediately reneges on that promise, completely ignoring the music in favor of another exploration of the political implications of the LDR persona. and it's so crushingly simplistic and literal-minded. no admission that the persona might have any artistic or political complexity. no admission that the assumed audience might not be limited to "the default heterosexual male listener".
if a female painter were to create a series of portraits of sexualized, disempowered and "mysterious" women, would we be so quick to discount the possibility that there might be artistic intent and merit behind the project? if not, then why is berman so quick to presume that the LDR album not only depicts a void but in fact IS a void?
― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Sunday, 29 January 2012 23:19 (twelve years ago) link
it pretends that it intends to discuss the music and only the music, then immediately reneges on that promise
so much rock criticism does this. "but what really matters is the music..." then presto! more discussion of the band are perceived by the press, etc.
i don't know why anyone gives a fuck about lana del rey, though, that's the fundamental problem.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 29 January 2012 23:28 (twelve years ago) link
theres no such thing as 'just discussing the music' & its getting really tiring to read that constantly
'why doesn't pitchfork ever just discuss the music' is the most banal problematic bullshit
― #YOLO #NAMASTE (D-40), Monday, 30 January 2012 01:14 (twelve years ago) link
theres no such thing as 'just discussing the music' & its getting really tiring to read that constantly'why doesn't pitchfork ever just discuss the music' is the most banal problematic bullshit
This is seriously the dumbest thing you have ever said
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 30 January 2012 01:50 (twelve years ago) link
There are entire academic disciplines built around "just talking about the music"; the problem is that you and most of your contemporaries have no grounding in that world and therefore find the very concept unthinkable.
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Monday, 30 January 2012 01:52 (twelve years ago) link
guys be cool http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif
― dave cool, Monday, 30 January 2012 01:53 (twelve years ago) link