― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 20 August 2004 20:04 (nineteen years ago) link
a little bit of background for you. not so long ago, straight white middle-class feminists were being criticised by other feminists for claiming to represent women when in fact they were espousing a straight white middle-class perspective on womanhood. Now when a woman supports lesbian politics, its a cromw cos apparently its "co-opting". perhaps some people around here think straight women should go back to their old heterosexist ways??
hey, and having a 16 year old girlfriend, while it might get you a bunch of envy round here, doesn't make your statement about "dumb 13 year old chicks" or whatever any less patronising and hateful.
― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Friday, 20 August 2004 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link
By the way, I just heard TKO on a Universal sampler I got from the record store where I work and it's much better.
Sara
― Sara Sherr, Friday, 20 August 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link
combat rock!? step aside!
it rolllllllllls, dig it!
― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Friday, 20 August 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Friday, 20 August 2004 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Saturday, 21 August 2004 01:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 21 August 2004 01:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 21 August 2004 01:56 (nineteen years ago) link
As it stands, it's about as subversive as a Rage Against The Machine t-shirt.
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 21 August 2004 05:11 (nineteen years ago) link
oh wait, you meant GIRLS who want to be...never mind...
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 21 August 2004 05:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 21 August 2004 06:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link
i don't know anyone who thinks KH is gay, i must be out of the loop. i guess what i meant was that your point seemed to be "you can only sing about 'lesbian stuff' (which KH hardly ever does anyway except as a gesture of support) if you're a lesbian and if you're not you can't be taken seriously," which seems more than a little dubious to me (do you hate DAVID BOWIE?). but i guess you'll just give me one of those "yeah whatever i don't care much PS have i mentioned this song SUCKS?" answers so hey, forget it.
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 21 August 2004 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link
well, i've never banged on about it but....
my opinion of the song has nothing to do with lesbians or kathleen hanna though (i like a lot of le tigre's other stuff). it just sucks.
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 22 August 2004 02:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― --, Sunday, 22 August 2004 05:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 22 August 2004 15:07 (nineteen years ago) link
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Quicktime video links from the letigre site:download
streaming
-- arch Ibog (archibog...), August 20th, 2004.
But that link doesn;t work (for me) using WinXP and IE6.Where is it here?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v360/morethanrats/universal2.jpg
Or is it somewhere here?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v360/morethanrats/universal1.jpg
because the scrollbar arrows don't work for me.I'm bot stupid, I'm using a common browser and I've tried hard to find the video, but I can't. Universal need new web-designers!
― mei (mei), Monday, 23 August 2004 08:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 August 2004 12:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Monday, 23 August 2004 13:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 August 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 August 2004 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 August 2004 13:20 (nineteen years ago) link
Shame. Song's terrible, but I want to see the vid too.
KG
― Kieron Gillen, Monday, 23 August 2004 13:31 (nineteen years ago) link
When listening to a KORN track brings you back to some semblance of balance, you know you've been exposed to an awful song. I mean, the simple sloganeering and all don't bother me nearly as much as the feeling that I've heard this song about 500 times since 1988, only it was called "Def Con One"/"Touched By The Hand Of Cicciolina"/"You And Me And Everything"/"Cocaine Sex"/"Psyche-Out"/"World In Motion"/etc.
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 August 2004 13:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 August 2004 13:34 (nineteen years ago) link
it sounds like EBN trying to "go positive" - not as bad as people here have been saying, for exactly the reasons Dan points out in his last sentence, but just as bad as a positive-thinking, slow-tempo EBN record would be
i think some "show, don't tell" might be in order here
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 23 August 2004 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link
oh, Nelly!
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 23 August 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 August 2004 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 23 August 2004 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― sexyDancer, Monday, 23 August 2004 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 23 August 2004 15:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 23 August 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 August 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 23 August 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 August 2004 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link
Also FOR THE RECORD another listen shows that this song is, um, really really embarrassing. It's like they listened to On-U Sound System and said, "You know what would really make this style great? MAKING IT SUCK LIKE VACUUM!"
I am all for facile sloganeering but this doesn't work for me (largely because it is shit). Following it up with Limited Warranty's "The Man In The Can" is giving me great pleasure, though.
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:25 (nineteen years ago) link
Also Consolidated had much better beats what with the Jack Dangers influence.
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 August 2004 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link
the only thing that lends his opinion any interest here is that fact that it's contrary to the general tone of the thread. but the actual reasoning behind it is pathetic: politics and aesthetics are inextricable; the song opposed u.s. entry into a war that momus rightly opposed as well; hence, it is a good song. i don't think he would brave this "logic" elsewhere would it not have allowed for a "controversial" opinion.
― amateur!!st, Monday, 23 August 2004 17:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 23 August 2004 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 August 2004 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Monday, 23 August 2004 18:39 (nineteen years ago) link
women be shopping
― amateur!!st, Monday, 23 August 2004 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link