so tell me, why is Kaputt better or worse than Let England Shake?

this entire episode definitely made the US posters seem more parochial than the UK ones, which i hadn't thought was the case before

lol, if anything, "this entire episode" suggests that certain PJH fans are rather narrow-minded

See u in March, ILX!

I can't believe anyone would be so narrow-minded as to dislike these poor underappreciated albums. They should really consider open their minds to new strains of indie.

well, narrow-minded as in "unable to tolerate differences of opinion". i could hardly care less who likes or doesn't like either album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St8uz4ioha0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwE8dlRnsio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQwSRlta020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTW3-1f3krs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ejRtQJdRWY

scott, u are one of my alltime fave ilx posters, just btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W3gmC52dPM

thanks!

that ton steine sherben clip is great, by the way. they had a very hip look.

love the klaus & klaus act.

For me Kaputt is the musical descendant of albums like Steely Dan's Gaucho, Boz Scaggs' Silk Degrees, and Leonard Cohen's I'm Your Man, but filtered through a modern sensibility where sounds of the 70s and 80s are used for textural or atmospheric purposes rather than as basic songwriting tools.

You don't think Gaucho is written with atmosphere in mind????

i really hate the part of ilx where people try to kill threads by flooding with youtubes or jpegs. Its childish, just like the reactions on the poll thread.

I do, but with Steely Dan, the songwriting and musicianship come first and then sounds and textures. On Kaputt, the texture is the primary concern.

the form of one generation of artists becomes the content of the next

kabutt vs let england shit

Mass turdmantic vs 4 poop demos

I do, but with Steely Dan, the songwriting and musicianship come first and then sounds and textures. On Kaputt, the texture is the primary concern.

this is otm. Steely Dan just pays a lot of attention to every detail - lyrics, music, harmony, texture, sequence, it all gets the fine-toothed comb. Kaputt seems to have begin with a structure & feel idea and put all else afterward.

boy, we've got a real algonquin round table around here

also in a rare moment of agreement between me and the Algerian Goalkeeper, I like Scott a lot but posting a bunch of youtubes that share the word "kaputt" is nagl imo

it's a good luck imo

metal poll

i really hate the part of ilx where people try to kill quality threads by flooding with youtubes or jpegs oh wait

I like kaputt but lex is right, awarding the best album award to pj harvey would have been a chance to deliver a slap in the face to canonical indie rock

yes the indie rock domination of the ilm polls has gone on FAR too long

the arguing about popular indie rock albums domination of ilm however

I like kaputt but lex is right, awarding the best album award to pj harvey would have been a chance to deliver a slap in the face to canonical indie rock

a million lols

^^^

Beyonce is #1 in our hearts.

in my defense, i've been on ilx for ten years and i've had to put up with all kinds of crazy shit from you crazy old ladies. so bite me.

and, to be honest, i only went on youtube to look up kaputt cuz i didn't know what it was. see, i was trying to LEARN. but then i got sidetracked by german kaputt-mania. i'll go back and check out destroyer songs. just to see what the hubbub is about.

destroyer's kaputt....so damn good.

Scott Seward Image Bombings/Threads, The Complete Guide To

scott,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVHr5T5HO2I

Scott is the best at youtube bombing imo

okay, this stuff isn't bad. i like the music. it's produced well. and i'm very picky about 80's retro stuff. most people are bad at it except for dance music people. i would definitely listen to this if it were all instrumental. the 20 minute thing is nice too. still wish i could find that stuff by ilm fave Studio on cd. i wouldn't know where to find it. i should check discogs. THOSE guys were amazing to me. this is way less amazing, but still okay. though it does kinda make me want to go listen to source material. but that's okay too. its a decent homage.

PJ's album was my favorite new record of the year.

do i even do that that much anymore? when was the last time i even did that?

i mean i did go a little crazy at first but i think i got over it for the most part.

i forget how sensitive people are about destroyer. i remember that one legendary thread. hoo boy that thing is a doozy. for the longest time i couldn't tell if it was real or not! thought it was an elaborate prank.

I don't know who/what Destroyer is, so Let England Shake is better

idgaf about any other destroyer album but that didn't stop be from realizing that kaputt was indeed the #1 album of 2011

gr80 you might take a listen to both Thief and Streethawk: A Seduction. They are very fucking good. I do not generally rep for much indie but that dude was on a tear for those two (tho they don't have the chill-vibe synth-wash that I suspect is a big part of kaputt's appeal for you but still I must speak up for those records, they're really good)

Kaputt seems to have begin with a structure & feel idea and put all else afterward.

― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, February 5, 2012 10:27 AM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is true, but let england shake is similarly defined by a distinctive, unifying texture. hazy, abstract and seductive vs. bright, sharp and ringing. main difference is that PJ harvey pushes so much harder at and farther into the sound she's chosen.

listened to these back to back a couple times this morning, i can't say i don't understand the appeal of kaputt. perhaps as a product of its relatively limited ambition, it provides a very consistent and comfortable listen. it's soothing, quietly sexy and nothing really juts out to wreck the flow. i could see it "working" quite well in a number of contexts. let england shake is quite challenging by comparison and does have its ups and downs. "all and everyone" is a bit dull, for instance, and "england" gets on my nerves. it nevertheless strikes me as a vastly superior piece of work, overall. heartstopping songs, real political & artistic ambition, and a dramatically unusual sound palette (where kaputt mostly sound like bejar hanging out in his bathrobe, taking stoned tips from kurt vile & ariel pink).

i had LES in at #6 on my albums ballot, and in retrospect, i did it a serious injustice.

xpost i checked out Rubies last week and was kinda feeling it-- will get to those two next, thanks for the pr0 tip

oh england oh america

I'm w/ gr80 in that kaputt is pure genius, destroyer's other stuff, eh, seems okay

ok i'll listen to pj harvey as soon as i listen to the gucci tape that just dropped

i guess i mean that PJH takes this core sound/texture and shapes it, pushes at it, makes it do a bunch of different things. bejar is more content to let his sound be, to let it set the terms. neither approach is intrinsically superior, but i get a good deal more out of let england shake.

destroyer, on this thread:

i took a walk and threw up in an english garden

Yeah, just read the blog - nice one sicko, enjoyed it

yeah, same here. loved reading that (though i'm still in camp shake).

what's that a link to

this entire episode definitely made the US posters seem more parochial than the UK ones, which i hadn't thought was the case before

hm.

can i just take a moment to laugh at whoever compared pj harvey to ts eliot

hey they both have initials

So does JFK.

I'd been wondering why I'd suddenly got lots of people following me on Twitter.

good thread.

a favorite post:

there's an album called hats?!?!

fuck all of you who like it

― first period don't give a fuck, second period gon get cut (lex pretend), Wednesday, February 8, 2012 6:13 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i just went through this whole thread again. forgot all about it. tim going full nabisco. lex bringing the hilarity. good one.

I'm always about the judith posts in this thread

you are a judith fanboy. who was judith?

oh at some point in the past year i finally listened to the blue nile (indeed, hats) and thought it was really bad

just another 2 billion verdicts to go and then we can all kill ourselves safe in the knowledge that culture has been logged

yes why even have opinions

oh at some point in the past year i finally listened to the blue nile (indeed, hats) and thought it was really bad

― the hallouminati (lex pretend),

I wasn't too fond of it either after my bff Brad recommended it.

Hats is cool you guys drool. First album is my fave though.

i listened to a few tracks off of Kaputt in honor of this thread last night and, yeah, still no....

he should have asked Superpitcher to produce it. maybe then it would have worked a little better.

is disco in the sky the last thing that superpitcher did? he needs to put out an album and save the world.

i am legit shocked that alfred doesn't care for hats

just another 2 billion verdicts to go and then we can all kill ourselves safe in the knowledge that culture has been logged

all this talking is only bravado

gonna relisten now, Brad, because I gotta write a film review.

there's a double vinyl superpitcher comp that came out last month, looks like it collects a bunch of his singles.

https://www.discogs.com/Superpitcher-So-Far-So-Super/release/8395925

no "softmachine", though.

and wow i was not aware that he did a single with Westbam ten years ago

i just ordered one. impulse buy! though to be honest i'd rather have it on CD.

in honor of this thread i'm gonna listen to kompakt all summer.