Rolling 2004 Metal Thread

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currently feeling: massemord - obscura symphonia, the new jungle rot and venemous concept - retroactive abortion.

myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Monday, 31 May 2004 09:17 (twenty years ago) link

The new Heart is good? What wonderful news! They were my very first favorite band!

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Monday, 31 May 2004 23:31 (twenty years ago) link

The new Clutch sounds like a step back up after Pure Rock Fury... (my favorite of their albums being Elephant Riders, btw)
The opening track is really exciting!

I haven't heard the whole thing yet though... Is it out? I only have MP3s, but I need the real thing post-haste! Now that Spiritual Beggars seem to be losing it, I figure Clutch can pick up the torch again...

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

"The new Heart is good? What wonderful news! They were my very first favorite band!"

my parents met at a heart concert, so if it wasn't for them i might not have existed.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 05:07 (twenty years ago) link

now, whether or not that's a good or bad thing...

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 05:08 (twenty years ago) link

Either way, it's a beautiful thing.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 05:31 (twenty years ago) link

It wouldn't have been either the show at the Forum in L.A. on the Dog & Butterfly tour or the subsequent one in the same place on the Bebe le Strange tour, would it? 'cause if so I was there the night your parents met, breathing the same wafting pot smoke

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 1 June 2004 08:47 (twenty years ago) link

Hmmm, this new Cathedral album, *The Serpent's Gold,* is sounding extremely catchy to me at the moment despite its apparent utter stupidity otherwise. Anybody have any thoughts on that one?

chuck, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 00:56 (twenty years ago) link

Damn, there's a new Cathedral album? I sort of lost interest when they did that back to the roots sort of thing. Endtymes or whatever. Which is sad, as Caravan Beyond Redemption was my favorite of their groovymetal albums.

Anyhoo, I'll reiterate what I said yesterday... The new Clutch is definitely a big comeback of sorts, and probably either their best or second best album (after Elephant Riders, which a lot of people hated, so maybe my tastes are a bit lopsided)
New TITD sounds really good based on the two songs I've heard... No surprise there though.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 01:15 (twenty years ago) link

Cathedral came in the mail today - haven't listened yet but I'll bet that album sleeve looks real great after several huge bong loads

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 01:36 (twenty years ago) link

I love Cathedral. In the face of all logic I've had nothing but good feelings for them since day one. They're always on the brink of being one of my favorite bands. So imagine my surprise upon being bored almost to tears by this Serpent's Gold greatest hits collection. Maybe hits aren't their strong point? (hit songs, anyway) My faith was shaken -- a few rounds with their Forest of Equilibrium should plant my feet firmly back in flying buttress mode. End Tyme remains a stellar metal masterpiece.

"Hopkins" is still a clodhopper genius of a hit single, but at least with the EP version you get their wavy gravy version of Arthur Brown's "Fire."

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 03:19 (twenty years ago) link

I'm surprised no flapping of muddy wings yet over the arrival of SUNN WHITE2. Minus two of the the protagonists of White1 -- Cope and Runhild -- it's still eisberg solid with Csihar grunting up a storm on one track. It's more like Nocturnal Emissions than Nocturnus, but what the hell, they have long hair.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 05:50 (twenty years ago) link

I gotta be honest and admit that every time I listen to the new Fleshcrawl I have a really really good time

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 13:08 (twenty years ago) link

I got White2 in the mail over the weekend, but haven't had time to check it out yet. Hope it's better than the last one. The only stuff I genuinely love by them is the Grimmrobe stuff and the first full-length. Once they started adding elements to the mix I got bored, because they keep adding the wrong things (hippy ramblings, percussion/rhythm) instead of the right things (screaming free jazz sax).

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 13:23 (twenty years ago) link

I used to say that Fleshcrawl was one of the very few bands that knew how to do melodic death metal. Mainly because they're still punishing death metal instead of falling into Iron Maiden territory. Same with God Dethroned.

Then I got sick as hell of them and never could listen to them again.

Isn't that just the most beautiful story in the world?


So, has anyone heard the new Capharnaum album yet? It's [soon?] out on Willowtip records, which to me is possibly the best death metal/grind label around these days (Harakiri's Twilight of the idol incidentally being stiff competition when battling Immolation's Unholy Cult for best death metal album of 2002)
I never did hear their previous albums, though they're often lauded as some of the finer music to come out of the whole tech-death thing.

And on that note, it's bothering me how 90% of death metal albums these days are called technical. Apparently that's a synonym for "sounding like Suffocation" these days. Bleh. We need bands that pick up Atheist's fallen torch already!
In fact, we need more DIFFERENT brutal death metal these days. Seemingly the only different bands in the genre these days are of the overly melodic type, with a few exceptions like Nile.
Blablabla?

Living through another Cuba! Love at first sight! I wonder if any metal bands ever covered XTC.
And on that note, I've always borkeda bout Voivod sounding like they've listened to a lot of Die Kreuzen... Only to find out that they've covered them! Mike Watt and Brutal Truth are on the tribute too... Shame tribute albums are such a waste of money, as that's a kinda neat lineup. Plus tons of bands I've never heard of, naturally. Yay!

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 14:11 (twenty years ago) link

The new MOP/Mash Out Posse album sounds like the best rap-metal album since *Devil Without a Cause* by Kid Rock, unless I forgot one. In the song I'm listening to now, they're sampling "No Sleep Til Brooklyn" by the Beastie Boys featuring, um, that Slayer guy....

Didn't know Cathedral's new album was a best-of. But what the heck, since I can't imagine why anybody would want to own more than one album by those numbskulls, I guess I'll hang on to it then...

chuck, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:36 (twenty years ago) link

I once owned five Bolt Thrower albums AT ONCE.

Same with Ozric Tentacles.

Go figure.

I don't anymore.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:39 (twenty years ago) link

Are MOP the schmucks that sample Thomas Dolby's "She Blinded Me With Science" on their new single?

I've never liked Cathedral, either.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:40 (twenty years ago) link

Dunno about Dolby (though that sounds like it could be cool!), but they've definitely sampled Foreigner's "Cold as Ice" before, and I think the Animals' "House of the Rising Sun" and Survivor's "Eye of the Tiger" as well.

chuck, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 18:47 (twenty years ago) link

Wait, Øystein H-O, are you saying there's a Die Kreuzen tribute album? That's crazy. I hate tribute albums except for country tributes to ZZ Top, but I might actually check this one out (for the Voivod track, if nothing else...)

chuck, Wednesday, 2 June 2004 19:07 (twenty years ago) link

Hmmm, so the new best-of CD by Strange Boutique (who were apparently from the Virginias or Carolinas or something--oops, DC I guess!, and who include former members of Madhouse {who I don't remember} and who toured with Killing Joke) registers to my ears as a nice metal album as well, even though the guitars frequently remind me of U2's "I Will Follow" and the vocals mainly remind me of Kate Bush -- weird, huh??

chuck, Tuesday, 8 June 2004 23:25 (twenty years ago) link

Wait, Øystein H-O, are you saying there's a Die Kreuzen tribute album?

Yeah, I just accidentally stumbled upon it when boredly browsing for Die Kreuzen info that day.
Supposed official site: The front page has a full track list.
I don't really care about tribute albums, but they're usually fun to hear once. Which is why Soulseek is such a blessing.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 02:19 (twenty years ago) link

I'm loving the new Alabama Thunderpussy. The new singer's great; part Axl, part Chris Robinson, part Phil Anselmo and just a little Gary Floyd. Plus, they've toned down some of the ultra-heavy stuff from the last record and moved back in the direction of Constellation, which is my favorite of their albums.

Today I'm rocking the 3-CD Scorpions set (not a box cause it's not in a box). I love the trippy psych-prog song "I'm Going Mad," from Lonesome Crow, that opens the first disc.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:24 (twenty years ago) link

Recent metal discovery (well I'll call them that): Earthless from San Diego, Mario from Clikitat/Rocket's newest other band. One long improv Sabbath-in-speed-mode instrumental made up their set yesterday and it was freakin' great. Emusic should have it up, I will scrounge for a link.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:26 (twenty years ago) link

Another new anthology I like of a goth-metallic old band I never heard of before: *Burning Image: 1983-1987,* on Alternative Tentacles.

chuck, Thursday, 10 June 2004 15:27 (twenty years ago) link

Phil (& Chuck), the "schmucks" that sample Dolby = Mobb Deep.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 10 June 2004 16:06 (twenty years ago) link

Finally getting around to the Cathedral album & completely loving it - Endtyme kinda bored me, but to my ears the hits are real toe-tappers. Still prefer anything Matt Pike does to anything else in the doom field, but I do like this Cathedral best-of a lot.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:09 (twenty years ago) link

Heard a few songs from the new Dillinger Escape Plan.
I thought they were starting to get a bit boring with Calculating Infinity, and hated the EP with Patton.
I guess this is slightly better than the EP, but this is nonetheless BAD!
Funniest bits are when the guy starts singing though! Yeesh.

This band really crashed and burned. A shame too, as that Under The Running Board EP really is something. Hopefully Converge aren't going the same way (admittedly they've so far gotten better with time) as they're the last band along these lines that I can honestly say I like.

Øystein H-O (Øystein H-O), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:16 (twenty years ago) link

I'm afraid to hear a new Converge album. But it's my own fault. I put Jane Doe on such an impossibly high pedestal.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:19 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sure I'm gonna get shit for this...does anybody on this thread besides me like Atreyu? I dig 'em; their songs are straight metalcore, but then they've got this lead guitarist who's in a total Iron Maiden power-metal fantasy world. It's a great combination.

Yeah, I like it. This album's a pretty cool combination of screamo and Swedish metal...the riffs and solos make the screamo stuff bearable. Kind of like Hatebreed meets Funeral For a Friend meets In Flames.

abegrand, Saturday, 12 June 2004 03:39 (twenty years ago) link

"I'm afraid to hear a new Converge album. But it's my own fault. I put Jane Doe on such an impossibly high pedestal. "

yeah, same here. where do you go from doe?

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 12 June 2004 19:24 (twenty years ago) link

(insert groans)

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 12 June 2004 19:24 (twenty years ago) link

some choice quotes from a fat guy in atreyu in this months alternative press:

"Dude, I love everything. Except rap and country, which arent valid forms of music, except GARTH BROOKS."


"I fucking hate Metallica-flat out, fuck Metallica, fuck Black Sabbath. I dont give a fuck about the fucking "roots". Those arent my roots, so i don't fucking care. Everyone goes, "Gasp! You don't like Led Zeppelin?" I'm fucking 22 years old! I don't care! Green Day was more important to me, you know?"

sean marvin (williamtell), Saturday, 12 June 2004 20:51 (twenty years ago) link

But I thought he said he loved everything.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 12 June 2004 20:56 (twenty years ago) link

These three records which I just reviewed for the Voice all have very noisy guitars on them:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0424/eddy1.php

chuck, Tuesday, 15 June 2004 23:11 (twenty years ago) link

Didn't Curse of the Golden Vampire's Mass Destruction come out last year? Not a big deal I guess.

Anyway, I really like it.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 00:17 (twenty years ago) link

where do you go from doe?

How to put this... there's always a been Re of hope for Mi so Fa? [note to self: fuck off]

The new Carcass best-of is probably more essential than the lackluster Cathedral one described above.

On the metalcore front, Between the Buried and Me is pretty fucking awesome. Fast shredding metalcore with macaroni guitar leads inserted here and there.

Debris Inc is a ruling doom rock / punk band with Dave Chandler of St. Vitus, Ron Holzner of Trouble, and Barry Stern of Zoetrope. Two very different mp3 minutes here: http://www.murdermetal.com/mm/here_are_some_un.htm

I saw a late-hour Bill Monroe show on PBS last night -- that guy was ten times as metal as Nightwish, even way back in the 1930s! God of fancy speed picking and total American doom.

And the full Emperor catalog should be reissued this fall. Yes, it needed to be already.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 00:20 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, Emperor is the shit. Probably one of my favorite metal bands ever, and my favorite black metal band for sure.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 00:24 (twenty years ago) link

On second listen, *Ixtlan Radio* by Ewigkeit (from Germany, apparently, and released on Earache) sounds like, possibly, my heavy metal album of the year so far.

chuck, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago) link

I got that in the mail and figured it had your name written all over it. I haven't listened to it yet.

I'm very disappointed by the new Neurosis. It seems like the further they get from metal, the more people like them. This one is mopey alt-drone-rock with occasional crunching sounds. I'm enjoying the 3-CD Scorpions box much more.

I don't know if C.Aarmé are metal or not (probably not, they sound like a heavier version of early Plugz to me), but I love their album. I sent you a review yesterday, Chuck. You should listen to the record; it's great.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 15:35 (twenty years ago) link

For real, Chuck? Whoa! Is sitting by the boombox in the kitchen downstairs & has been for a week: must listen now!

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

Did anyone hear the Mayhem album that came out this year? Does anyone even care?

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 16:50 (twenty years ago) link

It's a decent album, but nothing spectacular. Sounds exactly as you would think.

Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

*Ixtlan Radio* by Ewigkeit

That's certainly a great name for both band and album...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:54 (twenty years ago) link

C.Aarmé is fucking awesome. I've been loving those guys for quite some time now. Not metal at all IMO, but still great.

Avi (Avi), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:03 (twenty years ago) link

So, um, I am listening to the new Lickgoldensky album, and they don't sound like generic Meshuggah/Dillinger Escape Plan stuff anymore after all! They sound like generic Jesus Lizard stuff instead. Mixed with a wee spot of death metal vomit, I guess. I still don't get what the big deal is. (Word on the street, though, is they do OUTLANDISH things live, though, like PLAYING FEEDBACK FOR A LONG TIME or even STARTING FIGHTS. Somebody even told me they remind him of GG Allin! I am getting more cynical by the minute, for obvious reasons.)

chuck, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:13 (twenty years ago) link

They sound like generic Jesus Lizard stuff instead.

Chuck I think if you side-by-sided them with the Jesus Lizard you'd have to own here that you're mainly just bustin' out the hate stick. When were the Jesus Lizard interested in any kind of production other than the dry, effect-less Albini model?

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:18 (twenty years ago) link

I finally heard the Lickgoldensky. I like it okay. He does sound like Yow on some tracks, but that's fine with me. I don't know about big deals, but I was enjoying it okay. I was enjoying that Coliseum album too! I love that Discharge/Motorhead vibe. I was cranking that shee-it.

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:23 (twenty years ago) link

The new Borknagar album is pretty good. Also, somebody burned me a replacement copy of Mercyful Fate's Don't Break The Oath, so I'm rockin' that.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:25 (twenty years ago) link

The production doesn't sound weird to me at all, John. I don't get where all this dub stuff or "experimenting with sound per se" etc is supposedly happening - there's a way more interesting use of beauty and space on any number of metal records to come out this year, including the Neurosis one. The most interesting things I've noticed so far on the Lickgoldensky is a guitar part that reminded me of early U2 and a part where they played the same drum beat for a long time. His singing is totally affected in that Yow kinda way, too...

chuck, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:27 (twenty years ago) link


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